Is Saudi Arabia The Ultimate Evil Empire?

Always wanted to slap ol' granny in the ass with a sack 'a nuts. But not in SA.

 

More on Raif Badawi

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/11/flogging-global-outrage-saudi-arabia-silent

 

Give it time.

 

I vote yes

 

Will $45.00 a barrel oil render the keystone pipeline superfluos?

 

I took a piss over saudi arabia.. feels good man..

 

News link about Raif Badawi to be flogged 50 times every friday for 20 weeks for starting a liberal website. Saudi Arabia is fucked

 

I read recently that the original authors of the report of the 9-11 Commission are pressing for the release of the censored pages, which reportedly blame Saudi Arabia for financing the mission. I will try to find the reference.

From Huffington Post

 

This probably won't do much good, but if you sign you are at least making a statement



https://www.amnesty.org.uk/actions/saudi-arabia-free-raif-badawi-flogged-blogger?from=issues

 

The only difference life in Saudi Arabia today and that of five centuries ago is the technology they have, most of which was developed in western countries, although a great deal of modern technology is now manufactured in Asia. What we would consider to be an abuse of human rights were commonplace in developed countries once upon a time.

 

i dont know man, its the home of mecca the holiest place for the muslim people, the population is probably 100% muslim, they operate under sharia law, and claim the quran is their constitution. i would definitely consider it an islamic state.

how are they any better?? well first of all you still got your head attached right? ok then.......

if the western countries are so evil, what perfect country should we strive to be like then?

im trying to figure out your logic here, would you like to live in a country that doesnt protect you as long as you have your "rights and fredoms"? i think your living in some kind of illusion where the government gives a fuck what you "research" on the internets.

"quick, lets shut this guy down, hes watching loose change on youtube! oh shit hes figuring out the world banking false flag conspiracies, we must take his freedom and spy on him!"

really dude? im honestly wondering what freedom has been personally taken from you, here in the US. like what do you possibly want to do in this amazing country that you are not allowed to do? because i cant think of anything rational that i would want to do that the government is gonna step in and say "no we are taking that freedom away from you!" even if you wanted to do illegal drugs, this wonderful country lets you set up amazing festivals where you can eat acid till your eyes flip over.

what ? your gonna say the patriot act has somehow taken some freedom away from you? really bro? really? what, your gonna say the CIA is listening on your phone calls? really? they havent busted into my house and ive been ordering weed and other stuff over the phone for years.

i dont know what version of the United States you live in, but me, i can do whatever the fuck i want. like literally whatever the fuck i feel like, except going out and killing people. but other than that, i have the freedom to say and do whatever i want, i live in the United States, i have an college degree, ive seen the "documentaries", read the books, and ive just come up with a different, less paranoid opinion, come join me in the land of the free!

honestly man, i think your paranoid, what freedoms have been personally taken from you? please explain yourself........

 

I can almost agree with you, except the provision in the Patriot act that allows a federal agency or another, to detain you indefinitely, without charges, and don't have to tell ANYONE, not even your family. That should put the chill into anyone that lives in the US. Thats not the kind of nation I was raised to believe in.

 

bro if you get picked up by "the patriot act", chances are you're not a normal citizen. the question still stands, "when has the patriot act infringed on your freedom?" dont focus on the patriot act, but the "reasonable" trade of freedoms for security. do you really want zero security and 100% freedom? i dont. let the CIA listen all they want, as long as i can still do whatever the fuck i want. cuz thats the right amount of freedom for me: let me do whatever the fuck i want. i do that here, in the USA!! USA!! USA!!

 

Oh now I know you're just trolling.

 

Chances are?...WTF? I'm siding with Rat on this one, and thats a rare thing. You are at least trolling, at worst you are giving a free pass to fascism.

 

no i honestly dont think so. and heres my reasoning:

lets say its the year 2000, right before the patriot act was passed. you are some kind of international terrorist and are planning some kind of attack on, i dunno, a preschool full of babies. you somehow get on the government's crosshairs and they discover your plans.

do you think the government will go "by the book" to detain you and question you? we already know the government does all kinds of shady secret shit like illegal torturing of detainees. in my opinion, the government will pick your ass up, not notify your family and torture your ass untill you spill the beans.

ok now lets pretend its the year 2002 after the patriot act, same exact scenario. again, the government will pick your ass up, not notify your family and torture your ass.

so my point is, patriot act or not, the government will treat high value targets all the same. put yourself in the that situation, if a guy had information that could save american lives, wouldn't you do anything and everything to get that information? if it were my job, i sure would.

in my opinion, the US just made the patriot act to seem more legit. they were kidnapping people, assassinating people, and spying on people before any law gave them the right to do so. what do you think?

 

"what freedoms have the government personally taken from you?"

 

This isn't really appropriate for this thread but I feel compelled now, IMjustfishin'...

Exhibit one, Brandon Mayfield, erroneously linked to the 2004 Madrid train bombings. On May 6, 2004, the FBI arrested Mayfield as a material witness in connection with the Madrid attacks, and held him for over two weeks.[1] Mayfield was never charged, and an FBI internal review later acknowledged serious errors in their investigation. Ensuing lawsuits have resulted in a formal apology from the U.S. government and a $2 million settlement. An initial ruling declared some provisions of the USA PATRIOT Act unconstitutional, but the United States government appealed, and the ruling was overturned.

Following the 2004 Madrid train bombings fingerprints on a bag containing detonating devices were found by Spanish authorities. The Spanish National Police shared the fingerprints with the FBI through Interpol. 20 possible matches for one of the fingerprints were found in the FBI database and one of the possible matches was Brandon Mayfield. His prints were in the FBI database because of his arrest two decades earlier. He became the prime suspect because of his conversion to Islam and he had represented one of the Portland Seven.[1]
The FBI described the fingerprint match as "100% verified". According to the court documents in judge Ann Aiken's decision, this information was largely "fabricated and concocted by the FBI and DOJ". When the FBI finally sent Mayfield's fingerprints to the Spanish authorities, they contested the matching of the fingerprints from Brandon Mayfield to the ones associated with the Madrid bombing. Further, the Spanish authorities informed the FBI they had other suspects in the case, Moroccan immigrants not linked to anyone in the USA. The FBI completely disregarded all of the information from the Spanish authorities, and proceeded to spy on Mayfield and his family further.
Mayfield was concerned for the safety of his children and wife, and according to his father, he suspected that he was under surveillance by the federal authorities. In the weeks before his arrest, Mayfield's family was under the impression that their house had been broken into at least twice, although nothing was stolen. According to court documents, the FBI used National Security Letters in order to wiretap his phones, bug his house, and search his house several times.
As was discovered during the court case, even the FBI's own records show that this fingerprint, despite the sworn testimony of FBI and DOJ agents, was in all reality not an exact match but only one of 20 "similar" prints to the ones retrieved from Madrid. Based on that list of people with "similar prints" the FBI launched an extensive investigation of all 20 individuals using Letters of National Security. The investigation included medical records, financial records, employment records, etc. on all 20 people and their families. It was during this time that Brandon Mayfield's name rose to the top of the list.
The FBI arrested Mayfield at his offices in West Slope, an unincorporated suburb of Portland. The arrest was similar to the then-recent Mike Hawash case, under a material witness warrant rather than under charge; he was held with no access to family and limited access, if any, to legal counsel. The FBI initially refused to inform either Mayfield or his family why he was being detained or where he was being held.
Later, the FBI leaked the nature of the charges to the local media and the family learned of the charges by watching the local news....

you can read the rest on Wiki

 

Thats what they said in Germany before the stasi came knocking on your door...

 

i think the mayfield case sounds like an honest mistake. and the guy got 2 million out of it. but still in any law enforcement activities there are going to be unfortunate mistakes. i dont think this will ever go away.

as far as the stasi, i dont know much about them other than the soviets spy agency for class warfare. i think the jump from patriot act, to a stasi like movement is a far, far leap. i just dont see it happening. but i do admit its possible that the government could use it to higher spies to spy on the american population for class warfare. its definitely possible but i not likely in my opinion.

i gotta say, an example like that which you have just given deserves mad respect, i can tell your a smart person with a good knowledge of history, obviously better than mine.