I Think Its A Mistake People Make To Assume

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assume what you like. simple minds need not self inflict pain.

 

You're way off. This is an extreme example but these are some great examples to my point of what the human condition can defunct too without authority and language.

Feral Child - The power of environment on us: http://youtu.be/CV6LEf7EDAQ

 

every picture is really a picture, however unreal is what it is a picture of. every word is a word, however unreal what it depicts.
but reality doesn't give a dam about words or pictures, and it dam sure doesn't begin and end with us.

i'm sorry but you're the one not making any sense. at least not to me.
all i can guess is that you're somehow talking about something completely else, that i can't even begin to guess what.

there is nothing to stop nonphysical things from existing, should they choose to do so. that is not the problem.
there is equally nothing to compel them to resemble anything any one or any belief, thinks it knows about them.

whatever you're hang up about humanity is, it goes no further then humanity itself.

and the real universe is what begins beyond us. not what ends within us.

 

You're attempting to make an argument with the very thing(s) you are claiming are illusory... How is that not self-deception?

So if our logic and representations of such are illusory, making an argument with them becomes irrelevant. These types of ideas can really ride the slippery slope towards ideas such as perhaps we're really just brains in a vat in some dimension, hooked up to some super complex machine, tricked into all the events of this world or a solipsistic view where I cannot ascertain that anyone's consciousness truly exists outside of my own.

Personally, I do not find those very tenabale positions to hold. The former, much like your last assumption still does not address what the 'real universe' is, While the latter inherently suggests a self-deception that is literally beyond belief.

I recognize senses are limited to a particular spectrum in experiencing reality and perhaps filtered in a way to cater our biological makeup and evolutionary traits, but I do think humans experience an actual real reality which pictures, videos and words are often fairly representative of. So I uphold my arguments..

We are admist the "real universe," the universe perhaps may go beyond us but we are composed of what it contains and function within it. I don't understand where you can pull a "real universe" beginning beyond your thoughts and experiences from.

 

actually i'm not. these are how you are choosing to see it. real is what we stub our toes on in the dark, no matter what we believe or don't. words have nothing to do with it. hierarchies, real or imagined, human or otherwise, have nothing to do with it either. where did i ever say logic is illusory? our ego's demand to know what isn't known is. these are again apples and oranges.
i may have implied logic does not depend on worlds, or even pictures as such, other then however we conceptualize sequence and probability. this you have established no reason for me not to continue to maintain.

 

Words do have something to do with it, otherwise I would not know the sensation you are talking about, also an expletive or interjection in the moment, often signals to others something is happening in your situation.

Furthermore, you need a toe to be stubbed and given the scenario, you can't assume that a quadrupedal animal with better night vision has the same experience, so it's not beyond human experience, it is tied to being human.

 

As I mentioned to themnax in another thread, each word we use has a common meaning we can regard as a mathematical value in the construction of a sentence. if you are making self contradictory statements by definition then your argument does not follow a reasonable progression or fitting with the analogy, the math doesn't work.

For instance to say words don't mean anything real as an argument for legitimacy is self deceptive if not recognized as an error by definition. The correction is to amend your statements not to keep defending the self contradictory position. When you do the obvious belief systems start showing themselves in the lack of meaningful considerations. Some find this process of accepting correction embarrassing or maybe even fundamentally challenging to personal conviction in their own sanity. The more you challenge these many times the more defensive and entrenched in their positions they become as if they don't, some sense of their own vitality will slip away.

 

all of which is rather a long way from the topic introduced. and is that long way for no better reasons then to make lame excuses for christerism to butinski to a forum that's supposed to be about athiesm.