How To Argue For Gun Control.

I never said I was for it, I was stating a fact. And I am against forcing you to get insurance. If you don't want to get insurance then that's on you. However if you get into a crash then you pay it out of pocket. If you can't then you do community service repaying for the damages. I believe this system will work a lot better and maybe even cause people to drive more carefully.

See above.

Which I'm against anything mandated.

 

You contradicted yourself. You first said that violent on a global scale is low and then say that gun ownership escalates the number of those injured. First of all that is blatantly false. Violent crime has been on a steady decline since the 90's. secondly if the other countries have the same amount of violent crime then its not the gun that is causing our violent crime rate. As soon as you restrict or outright ban guns here we will move to knives as your country is experiencing as we speak.

He uses Brady's own chart to disprove him. And again you're twisting my words. I said "violent crime." You're using gun violence. Just shows how dishonest you are since I told you that in the very post you quoted.

 

Statistics are unbiased on their own. As for my solutions I gave you them.

 

So you're saying most of armed America are like this? Evidence please. And again, if you replace those incidents with "I straggled him" then you'll realize that its not the tool but the person.

 

And what if he did it through a straw purchase were he gets a legal person to buy your firearm? How are you going to prevent that with a background?

 

If that's the case then why isn't this plaguing Virginia?

 

If he obtained possession through a straw purchase I would never know.

I thought long and hard about your 2nd question...you got me.
Background checks won't prevent straw purchases.

Not everyone is willing to do a straw purchase for someone. I guess in my situation using a mandatory background check the guy wouldn't have been able to buy the gun from me. Just like he wasn't able to buy one from my friends table.

Mandatory background checks would provide a added deturant to prevent a person just walking up to a gun show table to buy a firearm with a state driver's license.

 

At least you're honest.

 

Mac

Oh come on Mac we have been through all this hundreds of time (cars are not weapons, cars are heavily regulated etc etc etc etc….) you know this.

Hell man and you know we have been through this hundreds of times – this is going back to the argument that Americans are more violent and murderous than other people which you have already said you don’t believe – so why are you presenting it again?

 

Mac

Can a baby be responsible for being born into disadvantage?

But you’ve already said that a baby cannot choice what parents it is going to be born to. It cannot choose to be born to those that advantaged rather than those who are disadvantaged.
Your comment makes no sense UNLESS you do think poverty is genetic.

Again that doesn’t address what was said – have you any substantive comment?

That doesn’t make sense can you explain your thinking?

 

Mac
LOL – your whole argument is about not helping – that you want to choose what and who is assisted and it is clear from what you have said so far that you don’t think many are worthy of it.

But a child cannot chose to whom they are born and that has one of the greatest impacts on their lives

 

Mac

Interesting once again you take the route of intimidation and punishment as a means of social control and choose a system that is more likely to adversely affect the more disadvantaged.

No laws, no regulations? you have said you are not some type of anarchist.

I think you need to read what’s been said again I don’t think you have understood it. I mean did you even look at the levels of differing crime in the range of countries that were presented above?

Go back and read but to put it simplistically having easy access to guns does not seem to have had a great impact on general crime but it has greatly increase the likelihood of gun related injury and death.

LOL – so a crime committed with a gun is not in your view a violent crime – it’s a great way to reduce violent crime figures just ignore some what next stabbing someone isn’t violent crime or punching someone isn’t a violent crime?

So you had no point when you pointed out that you think blacks are the ones who commit 50% of violent crime and that you said this in no way to suggest that that black people are genetically predisposed to be more violent than other groups

And yes you have put forward some solutions (like hoping your god sorts things out) but I’ve asked you for some rational solutions.

 

Mac

Did you mean strangled?

Again we have been through this hundreds of times, ease of access to guns means that the outcomes of such incidents are more likely to end badly because guns are a very efficient weapon.

I’ve been told that its rater hard to strangle someone but it is very easy to shot someone.

 

Mac

Gun related murder rate per 100,000 (2010)

State of Virginia - 3.1

State of New York – 2.7

UK – 0.06

 

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[SIZE=12pt]Oh don’t get me wrong I’m not complaining – I mean it’s great - every reply strengthens my argument and the pro-gun control stance so I’m happy for you to continue, I’m just wondering what you are getting out of it?[/SIZE]

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So the car is a greater danger than terrorism itself and hence Trump should ban all cars , domestic and imported.

Car accidents have a similar casualty rate all over the world, but it is pretty skewed in a lopsided manner when it comes to gun crimes in the case of the U.S.

How hard is that to understand ! All this is a legacy of the wild, wild west heritage of America. And as long as Americans hold on to this unregulated gun culture, they will be put on par with afghanistan and somalia where such similar lax gun controls exist.

Because I have never read of any dude shooting complete strangers all of a sudden in any other country other than the U.S. , for irrevalent reasons. And this happens in a consistent basis in the U.S.

I am a fan of Americans like Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Paine, Ralph waldo Emerson, Walt Whitman and other cool dudes, and feel your nation should be progressive in its outlook with respect to guns as a measure of civilized behavior and conduct.

 

Yeah, and I remember President Obama and his minions saying that more people die slipping in a bathtub than die from terrorist sabatoge. It a dismissive rejoinder to a legitimate concern.

 

So? Who cares if it's designed to be a weapon or not. 70% of car accidents are due to human error, mainly distraction.

Americans aren't more violent. However Americans aren't dependent on guns to commit violence. That's why as you admit, our violent crime rate is roughly the same as everyone else. So by taking away guns you only have people commuting the same amount of crimes with different methods.

 

My only point is that the claim that guns are the main killers of Americans is blatantly false.

 

Look at the avatar of the OP and how long this thread has gone. It should make it clear that no logic or reason will get through to him. For people like him there can not and should not be any gun control. They will not accept that there can be a middle ground between some regulation and a dystopian hell.

The rest of the world are socialist idiots who are vulnerable to Muslims and their own goverment. The rest of the world trusts their army and their guns more than we ever will. I wonder how many gun owners have any actual military experience because if they did they would understand how a Ar-15 means nothing even if you and Bubba your neighbor spends lots of time in your militia practicing. I know people who were in black ops and they laugh at you. If the American goverment thought you were a threat you would be dead and if gun ownership was a threat it would gone quicker then you can blink too. It's a distraction because it makes you think you are safe and allows organizations like the NSA to do whatever they want. One of these people I mention was pressured out of his job because he believed more in the rights of the people compared to having no rights so the "terrorist" also has none. That's dangerous thinking. Even among other gun people they are outcasts because they think the perks they had should really be earned and not everyone should have what they did.

Yes there are many former Marines in a local militia sometimes but I would say they were not high enough in the chain to really "get it". They are the typical expendable solider who saw the commercial for the service on the TV and thought they would be a hero too. Everything they know is need to know basis. That's how the job works and they know jack shit.

As someone who has passed the NRA safety test on the first try (it's not hard and that is the idea because it's a right) without studying and been around gun owners, while also using them the list above is pretty accurate. The gun is always the first tool used to let the other person know basically "do not fuck with me". They are so fearful and so anxious to use the gun because it's such a crucial part of their life and identity that despite what they tell you it's used too fast and too often by many of them. I mean you do not buy a Corvette if you plan to always do the speed limit do you? Eventually you are going to want to see how far she can go. 65 mph gets boring just like elk and targets at a range get boring too. So they wonder what if someone mugged me, what if I was in public shooting? This state of mine makes them VERY anxious for these situations to arise.

Their "rights" are very selfish because they put everyone else at risk. And their answer is that its your own fault for not also choosing to own a deadly weapon so how dare you punish them for the dangerous world they create. Who care if someone else dies I survived. I know guns are a part of American culture though I would not own the,. And my time around their owners did show me a human side to them. I can respect they like what I do not but many are just too dangerous to really trust.