How To Argue For Gun Control.

or just another example of how he is playing you like a dime store fiddle.....LOL

 

Pen

Didn’t you bug out because you couldn’t think of anything to say to counter the pro-gun control argument?

As has been said before - it is very hard, if not impossible, to change a closed mind that cannot even defend its own position from valid criticism.

 

Gas

Oh you think Mac’s arguments are a joke - that he’s just made his stance up for a laugh – I suppose that could be the reason they don't make much sense

 

Didn't bug out over any argument.
Maybe over you saying "defend from criticism" though.
I mean come on that dosnt make sense. There have been hundreds of valid defenses in this thread alone. It seems like your only defense is to say people that oppose your view have no defense.

 

Pen

How do you know you are famously the one that doesn’t read post if they had more than 50 words in them?

Anyway - OK you know for sure about that these defences exist and were not subject to valid criticism already that questioned their validity?

Brilliant then produce them.

[an aside -anyone want to bet on how long it takes before Pen bugs out again ]

 

i will name one. and it trumps every one you can come up with. tell me one defense against this one and i will bow down to your brilliance in the field of debating on a free speech internet forum. (at least in the usa which is all i care about)

the second amendment says i can have one.

 

[SIZE=11pt]Pen [/SIZE]

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LOL - Oh for fuck sake Pen read the bloody posts – this is the problem with the pro-gunners they don’t want to debate honestly, because they can’t, if they did they’d have to concede that there is no rational and reasonable argument against the introduction of prudent gun control.

[SIZE=11pt]And I’m not saying you can’t.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Look man go back read the posts in the thread and when you know what’s been actually said we can talk.[/SIZE]

 

I was reading from the beginning for a few months and all I saw was your inability to defend from criticism

 

listen, gun control is stupid. Putting gun laws and restrictions in place will only affect LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Criminals or people who shouldn't have guns will always have a way to get their hands on them. Unless you suppose a criminal will follow all the laws and steps to legally have a firearm? I don't think so. Yes obviously there should be background checks, etc. There should also be open carry EVERYWHERE. all of the mass shootings have happened in gun-free zones. Do you think anyone would attempt places where there are open carry? Maybe, but there would be less deaths if people had them and could help protect victims. This whole anti gun thing is ludacris.I honestly feel bad for people who feel that way. Guns protect you from harm from fellow people who want to do you harm and also government tyranny. I personally believe we should have armed teachers or guards at schools. Since schools and children are also big targets. Do you think a gunman would think twice about going to shoot up a school with innocent children with armed security guards and teachers? We need to protect ourselves and our families. Especially with all of these migrants coming here, things are about to get crazy. Id recommend everyone get one for your own protection. Don't trust the govt or police to protect you. A police man takes minutes to get to you and it takes a gunman a few seconds to kill you. Your chances of living or saving lives in a nasty situation increase substantially if you are armed.

 

"Dear Friends,
Every day, 91 Americans are killed with guns.
We are turning this beautiful country into a War Zone.
Together, let's bring back America, the green land of Peace.
The death of a loved one is a hollowing experience.
After 36 years, our son Sean and I still miss him"
- Yoko Ono Lennon
8 December 2016

 

Pen

OK first by your own admission you don’t read all of posts so how would you know that criticisms hadn’t been addressed?

But hell I’m game – please give us the examples of where I haven’t addresses a supposed valid criticism?

 

Oh fuck Bigbooty

Sorry I should explain - see people get upset because people like you come along and present the same stale arguments (because you’ve not read the thread) meaning I have to repeat myself and then the many pro-gunners that see it and moan and call me out for repeating myself.

To them – look can you at least once blame the person that’s repeating things that has already been addressed - repeatedly?

 

This is a 22 page thread last I checked. Do you really except people to read every page let alone memorize each point and counter point? Come on now! You're relying on arguments made 5 pages back if not longer. All I ask is give a refresher every now and then.

 

60% of those deaths are suicides and that's left is either gang or drug related. Very few of them are random mass shootings and muggings that actually affect the general public.

 

Nope. I just about give up. we are now just depending on arguments made with any references probably 10 pages back.

 

Yet that 17% affected the entire nation. Plus I was referring to more recent times than that.

 

You're not being specific and you're making a straw man out of me. Lets start from the top. I believe registration wont work because criminals won't register their guns. I believe its unconstitutional as it keeps a tab on a legal product which the government had no business of doing. Not only that but time and time again registration has been used in confiscation or banning in one form or another. I believe a better way to solve gun crimes is to punish violent felons severely and those who deliberately attempt to acquire firearms illegally. Does that sound like someone who refuse to implement any form of gun control?

 

Well first of all a lot of that was actually rare and done by democrats. Secondly even with those glaring issues you didn't had to worry about leaving your house unlocked.

 

Is it just me or did the forum changed background color?

 

Reasons why Americans shot at other Americans November 2016

Somebody stole my truck so I grabbed my gun and fired 10 shots at him. One of the bullets went through a house two blocks away and killed a woman who was asleep in bed. (WA, 11/4)


My car broke down outside some guy’s house. He was flying the Gadsden Flag in the window, but it had a porcupine on it instead of a rattlesnake. I told him that was disrespectful, and then I shot him. Also one of my bullets hit another woman I wasn’t even aiming at. (NH, 11/5)


I was in the parking lot of a hotel when the gun I carry for protection fell out of my wheelchair, hit the ground and shot me. (CA, 11/10)


My neighbor was being assaulted by her boyfriend, so I drew my gun and fired several shots. I missed the boyfriend, but I unintentionally shot the assault victim. (OR, 11/15)


My friend pranked me by calling me on the phone and saying he was out of town when he was actually in my house. My dogs were barking and I saw movement so I shot him. (NJ, 11/17)


My houseguests were getting a little drunk and were taking their sweet time to leave, so I shot both of them in the legs. (FL, 11/21)


I was trying to do some earlybird Black Friday shopping at Walmart. Somebody took my parking space. Both of us were armed, but I shot first. The other guy is dead. (NV, 11/24)


I shot my girlfriend and left her dying in the street, but then a teenager with first-aid training tried to help her, so I shot him, too. Then I shot at the paramedics when they arrived. (LA, 11/27)


Mom was mad at God because Grandma died. You shouldn’t be mad at God, so I shot mom dead while she was asleep. (PA, 11/30)