How To Argue For Gun Control.

Says you as far as no civilian use. If police see a need for full autos then civilians have the same reasoning. After all the police deal with the same threats you and I face. But you're after semi auto weapons that only look like their full auto counterparts. What is your reasoning behind it?

Which affected little if anything. There weren't too many full auto crimes made to begin with.

Which makes no sense. What's so dangerous about a HK G36 (made after the ban) that is prohibited from civilian ownership but a M16/M4 isn't when then fire the same ammunition?

Those types of incidents were actually few and far between and took place in democratically control anti gun cities. Not only that but it didn't prevented the Hollywood shootout.

How many was killed before?
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But you're in agreement with them.

But that's still a grenade launcher that is attached to a gun.

 

I'm black and I say that. Besides, aside from posting a picture of your diploma you have no way of proving your education anyway so what are you complaining about. It's the argument being that's the issue not the education behind the person making it.

There are plenty of poor redneck hillbillies and they don't make up the vast majority of crime.

I'm concerned about any drug addict. It's the reason why I won't move to the Chicago, let alone the ghetto.

 

Mexico is a developed country. What makes you think it isn't? And my point is your proposals have been implemented in other countries and failed.

So if britian erupts into crime and currupt ion then its no longer a developed country? How convinent.

We have twice as many guns per capita compared to Switzerland yet they don't have half the gun deaths. Indicating that its not the gun but the culture. Not only that but I don't care about gun deaths. I care about murder in general. You still didnt answer my question. Which proposal you call for gas been shown to work when implemented? You fail to take into account the possibility that these countries may have always had that level of gun deaths even before gun control was implemented. And as for the US our gun deaths dropped dramatically.

That is your opinion alone. Just because I don't share in your beliefs that your proposals would work doesn't mean I only care about guns and I would let the world burn.

Yes I do. I gave my proposals on how to improve society.

 

How about 91 acts of Gun Violence Everyday in America - What more Argument do you need!

 

Lug

What the fuck is occidental culture?

I agree and I’m asking you why you believe black people are more likely to be convicted of crimes as you have been rather enthusiastic about highlighting those statistics.

And what would you propose to do about it?

 

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[SIZE=12pt]What is ‘convenient’ about it, and the answer is yes if the UK economic and social development fell in relation to other countries it could lose its status as a developed country. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]You think ‘culturally’ Americans are more murderous than other people, why? [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]And that you prefer to live in a murderous culture and don’t want to change it in any realistic or rational way? [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]So you don’t care if people die from accidents or manslaughter what about the many that are injured? And there is always the question of suicide. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]And as pointed out, ease of access to guns seem to vastly inflate the numbers of those murdered [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]As I’ve pointed out several times there don’t seem to have been national laws. [/SIZE]

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[SIZE=12pt]But you haven’t actually put forward any rational or realistically based proposals as to what to do – I mean your main ideas is the hope that your particular sky god will somehow intervene. [/SIZE]

 

A few reasons why people shot people in the US September 2016

I was arguing about bible verses with another retired pastor in the seniors’ home where we both lived. I shot him twice in the head and fled three blocks in my wheelchair before police caught me. (IL, 9/5)

I complained about the frequent poker games in my senior apartment complex, but they kept gambling in the common room, so I shot three of them. (WY, 9/14)

I shot my girlfriend in an argument over a cell phone. (OH, 9/18)

I overheard two people arguing about bible scriptures, so I rode up on my bike, joined in the argument, and then shot a man dead in front of his family. (IL, 9/24)

As we drove through downtown Atlanta, I saw some black people. I worried that maybe they were a Black Lives Matter mob and they might hurt us, so I got my gun out of the center console. Then I drove over a bump in the road and shot my wife. (GA, 9/25)

My credit card was declined at Starbucks, so I pulled out a gun and started shooting. I killed somebody I’d never even met. (NV, 9/25)

During an argument over a cell phone, I pulled out my gun and started shooting. One of my bullets killed a four-year-old kid. (AL, 9/25)

I wanted to turn the heat on, but my roommate wanted to turn on the air conditioning, so I shot at her. (PA, 9/26)

 

If you don't know, you ought to sit out this conversation.

 

Lug

LOL so you don't have a clue yourself - fine - so why bring it up?

 

Please explain why a single person needs 3 cars and a 5 bedroom home. After that, please explain why it's any of your business if I own $350k in jewelry, a Lama and 10k spoons.

 

I need a little more detail to go by.

 

Taking care of gang raids for one.

AR 15s (semi auto) looks like an M4 or M16.

Which statistically speaking are rare occurrence. The reason why it made national headlines is because things like that didn't happen everyday.

 

It would be convenient because if the uK crumbles and I point to the UK as evidence of gun control failing then you would say "UK isn't a developed country and therefore irrelevant."

Illegal immigrants, inner city gangs, and the drug war.

No, of course not. Stop projecting.

First of all there's only so much you can do to reduce accidents without chipping away at the effectiveness of a product like Chlorine. Second, to reduce accidents we should do more to educate people on gun safety, as for manslaughter it doesn't matter what weapon is used, it hard to prevent it die to the simple nature of it. And Japan had more suicides than we do and they hardly have any guns.

No it doesn't. Otherwise Switzerland would be second in murders and the US would be on the very top.

In the US maybe but you have other countries to look to that implemented gun control at a national level.

You haven't really challenged my proposals. Plus I can say the same about yours.

 

Mac

Please explain what use the public has for machine guns.

So you actually fear you could be the victim of a ‘gang raid’. Wouldn’t it be better to try and bring about a society where you were not so fearful?

 

Mac

You think ‘culturally’ Americans are more murderous than other people, why?

Illegal immigrants

As stated before many studies have shown that illegal immigrants as a group are less likely to be involved in violent crime that those born in the US.

Inner city gangs

As I’ve said many times you have to ask why people get involved in gangs – and rationally not just say they don’t believe in you sky fairy and so of course will do bad things.
And as pointed out before other places have gangs

The drug war.

We have covered this many times many people that have called for prudent gun control also want prudent drug policies.
And as pointed out before other places have drug laws.

In what way do you see these as distinctly part of American culture?

 

Mac

So you don’t care if people die from accidents or manslaughter what about the many that are injured? And there is always the question of suicide.

What are you going on about?

Does that reduce the possibility of guns falling into the hands of criminals or the irresponsible and I thought you had rejected safety regulation (mandatory safety courses before been able to own a gun, mandatory home safes for gun owners etc) as being an inconvenience to a gun owner.

Which is what I’ve commented on many times you don’t seem to think it is worth doing anything about the huge numbers of gun related deaths and injuries that happen in the US.

 

Mac

And as pointed out, ease of access to guns seem to vastly inflate the numbers of those murdered

We have been through this many times already – to repeat

It’s a nice place with low unemployment rates, great social services and not very high inequality. In population density terms (490 per sq mile) it’s got less that the UK (650 psm) although the US is only (84).

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Switzerland is actually second among wealthy countries in terms of annual gun deaths (0.77 per 100,000 of population in one recent smurvey, versus 2.97 in the US and just 0.07 in England and Wales) but has barely half as many guns per 100 people (45.7 versus 88.8 in the US).

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Mac

But you haven’t actually put forward any rational or realistically based proposals as to what to do – I mean your main ideas is the hope that your particular sky god will somehow intervene.

Ok we can go through it again – your main proposal (if you can call it that) seems to be that you hope that your particular sky fairy will get people into believing in he/she/it and once they do they will stop doing bad things and therefore there is no need for any gun control regulation.

You secondary proposal is for the state to execute anyone that commits any crime while being in the possession of a gun.

Neither seems rational or reasonable.