How To Argue For Gun Control.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Maccabee, Jul 27, 2016.

  1. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Mac

    We have been through the whole ‘unconstitutional’ and ‘it will not work’ arguments a hundred times or more (as anyone can read above)

    They don’t stand up as they are disputable as many here have told you numerous times – they are not arguments against doing something they are just you saying you don’t want anything to be done (as anyone can read above).

    But as said it’s basically impossible to have any rational argument with you because your personal beliefs will always trump rational or reasonable argument.
     
  2. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    I just listed why it doesn't work. The VT shooter only used pistols and ten round magazines. Add to that the San Bernardino shooters blantently disregarded the bullet button law of California. Can you name an instance were a ten round limit saved lives?
     
  3. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Wasn't that actually used to kill elephants? And even if you're right all those 90 birds must be in perfect alignment with the gun. Unless that thing is a giant shotgun.

    Your point? Why should law abiding citizens be prohibited from certain types of guns? We aren't even talking about things like grenade launchers and mortars.
     
  4. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    As I said elsewhere you never engaged me on the topic. If anyone is unreasonable and irrational it's you. You shut me down because I have a belief you strongly oppose. You automatically think because I believe this I therefore lack any rational thought. You sir, are a textbook example of a closed minded bigot.
     
  5. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Actually it isn't. Each and every proposal you gave was implemented in part or in whole in at least one country or provenance/state and each of them failed. Can you go over the ones that were successful?
     
  6. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Homicides tell us nothing. When a woman shoots her rapist, that's homicide It's justifiable homicide. When an inmate is executed, that's homicide. Homicide is the killing of a human being by another human being. There are various categories of homicide.

    Murder rates are important. Were we to factor out all murders committed by minorities, we'd have one of the lowest if not the lowest murder rate in the world.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Because certain types of guns have no valid use by civilians.

    And why do you leave grenade launchers and mortars out of your "any type of guns" argument?
    Both are projectile weapons.
     
  8. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Now you know we have been through this many times and you still have not replied to those criticism of your view – for example the list of measures have not been applied as national laws.

    Your stance is that nothing should be done because you don’t really care about those that are killed or injured so think the ‘price’ to reduce the likelihood of guns falling into the hands of criminals and the irresponsible is too high since it could inconvenience gun owners.

    To me that seems a rather selfish and irrational approach to the situation.
     
  9. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    And as I said - if you factor out any crime you’d have no crime. You argument doesn’t make sense.

    And I’m presuming that when you say ‘minorities’ you mean blacks as in you last posts?

    The questions really need to be - why do you think these murders are being committed - how would you tackle them?
     
  10. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    Support your opinion.

    Why did Madison memorialize our natural right to keep and bear arms within his Second Amendment? So you have even a remote clue?

    You might want to do a Google search before you attempt an answer. Also read Madison's The Federalist No. 46. Some helpful advice: gain knowledge before posting. And your irrational fears do not justify public policy.
     
  11. LagunaBeach

    LagunaBeach Banned

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    You have to allege that it doesn't make sense. To admit it make sense obliterates your argument.

    Does this make sense:

    • There are dramatic race differences in crime rates. Asians have the lowest rates, followed by whites, and then Hispanics. Blacks have notably high crime rates. This pattern holds true for virtually all crime categories and for virtually all age groups.
    • In 2013, a black was six times more likely than a non­-black to commit murder, and 12 times more likely to murder someone of another race than to be murdered by someone of another race.
    Source: http://www.amren.com/the-color-of-crime/
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Senior Member

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    Oh how’s it going with that yourself I mean can you answer the question I posed – shall we try again - Can you explain the intricacies (in your opinion and in your own words) of the core tenets of the US's 'Founding Fathers'
     
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    To repeat - why do you think are the reasons behind such crime statistics and how would you tackle them?


    Oh and isn't American Renaissance a well know white supremacist outfit?
     
  14. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I already addressed Madison.
     
  15. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Like what? And why its up to you to decide what has a valid use and what doesn't? The second amendment doesn't work by what you need.

    But grenade launchers aren't guns. They are grenade launchers. A rifle is a gun as far as when talking about small arms.
     
  16. Maccabee

    Maccabee Luke 22:35-38

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    Yes it has. Canada and your country for example implemented the type of measures you propose for example along with Mexico.

    My stance is we shouldn't implement anything that has already proven to fail.

    I agree. But that isn't my position.
     
  17. Chigurh

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    So because people can they will. That's your argument.
     
  18. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I can name any number of types of guns, for instance fully automatic weapons are highly regulated and have no civilian use. The National Firearms Act of 1934 was specifically enacted to curtail if not prohibit the transaction of automatic weapons among the public.

    In 1986 the Firearm Owners Protection Act prohibited the owning or public transfer of all automatic weapons manufactured after 1986, or owning any previously possessed or manufactured by the government were also outlawed. As well as a requirement that all privately owned automatic weapons must be registered in a national data base maintained by the ATF. You must also designate a licensed weapons dealer to take possession of the weapon upon your death.

    This is one example of how well regulation can work. The 1934 law was passed in response to the use of fully automatic weapons during the prohibition years when people such as Machine Gun Kelly and Bonnie Parker out gunned the law with their Thompsons and BARs.

    Since the law was enacted in 1934 only two people have been killed by automatic weapons in the U.S.

    In response to your second question: I'm not deciding what is valid, our elected representatives are.

    There are several types of grenade launchers. One type can be used on a rifle, as in WWII. They can also be fitted to an AK47 or an M16 variant.
     
  19. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    My argument is that certain types of guns are not needed and should be regulated. See the above post.
     
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