How do we know what is and isn't real?

I'm not sure I could answer that to my full satisfaction. It's part of what makes me like the betting conclusion of Okie's posts or the dismissal of authority on the issue in Tyrson's succint statement so appealing.

I suppose I could form a rough outline of how biological and adaptive traits may help me for instance in the example have some sort of more authentic connection with the moon, recognizing it's actuality, rather then a picture of a moon which comes from an instrument recently developed and pretty much only elicits meaning to human beings.

I presume Prosthetic limbs and what not certainly would be a good argument against that rough outline however...

 

This is my point instead of comparing what I say to what you have come to reasonably expect, try to deconstruct the things I have said as an object lesson,you will see yourself becoming suddenly clear.

 

the only thing that is prohibiting clarity here is the attempt to qualify in stead of quantify.

 

Where any argument about this topic, pro or con, falls apart is where you must show your proof to yourself... "yes, THIS is real, without a doubt! I can see it, feel it, I just stubbed my toe on it and it hurt" but the entity you just proved it to, yourself, can't even be proven to be real.


We could all be electrical impulses bouncing around in some cosmic soup, not real at all. Sure seems real, but our limited capabilities can only go that far... It SEEMS real.


Now, a scientist will come along with tons of data and proof to show me how wrong I am, but the scientist, his data, and his proof all needs to be seen by the same entity mentioned above... Yourself. (or myself)

 

This is our family
Chrysanthemum in the family Asteraceae, Astrea, the star family.
The Asteraceae or Compositae (commonly referred to as the aster, daisy, composite,[4] or sunflower family)

 

We are a sun and plant kingdom become creature through the mushroom.
don't believe me, eat the mushroom I am maintaining the continuity there.

 

You know me as this historical figure
John Dee (13 July 1527 – 1608 or 1609) was a mathematician, astronomer, astrologer, occult philosopher, imperialist[5] and adviser to Queen Elizabeth I. He devoted much of his life to the study of alchemy, divination and Hermetic philosophy.
Dee straddled the worlds of science and magic just as they were becoming distinguishable. One of the most learned men of his age, he had been invited to lecture on advanced algebra at the University of Paris while still in his early twenties. Dee was an ardent promoter of mathematics and a respected astronomer, as well as a leading expert in navigation, having trained many of those who would conduct England's voyages of discovery.

 

this is my given name in creation
John /dʒɒn/ is a masculine given name in the English language. The name is derived from the Latin Ioannes and Iohannes, which are forms of the Greek name Iōannēs (Ἰωάννης), originally borne by Hellenized Jews transliterating the Hebrew name Yohanan(יוֹחָנָן), "Graced by God", or Yehohanan (יְהוֹחָנָן), "God is Gracious". There are numerous forms of the name in different languages; these were formerly often simply translated as "John" in English but are increasingly left in their native forms (see sidebar).[1]
It is among the most common given names in Anglophone and European countries; traditionally, it was the most common, although it has not been since the latter half of the 20th century. John owes its unique popularity to two highly revered saints, John the Baptist(forerunner of Jesus Christ) and the apostle John (traditionally considered the author of the Gospel of John); the name has since been chosen as the regnal or religious name of a vast number of emperors, kings, popes, and patriarchs. Initially, it was a favorite name among the Greeks but it flourished in all of Europe after the First Crusade.[2]

 

This is my current handle

Johnny D. Oliver

Oliver

bearer of the olive branch
here is a symbolic representation

 

stoned ape
born up on an olive branch
with three branches
proton
neutron
electron
A cubit or piece of matter

 

Not making it any clearer...

That phrase is meaningless in concrete terms. A moon is a concrete entity outside of astronomy, what is that phrase outside religion?

You assume dualism and you are wrong in the latter part. Other animals have shown to have varying capacities for self reflection.

Humans do not occupy all climates on Earth.

Finding a seat on consciousness is likely more incumbent on a dualist like yourself, to find an area where spirit meets physical rather then other views of the mind/body relationship.

I am amused you want me to apprehend your words objectively, when your idea is the mind is abstract.

 

because you are not doing it

Of course not, the moon isn't make of concrete. We are celestial beings. Everything that appears is manifestation of our personalities. Our identity can be be thought of as personality intensities that are expressed in forms of varying density. the ruling planet jupiter is a gas giant, the moon lights our dreams at night. Mars is blood red, venus passionately hot.
Astrology contains the records of our personality traits as they appear in the entire solar system and beyond. that is why an astrological accounting in your sign can be so curiously right on right on. And we have indeed gone beyond with voyager

 

The moon is a satellite built by interstellar aliens to monitor earth. Derrh.

 

if it ain't in the bible, it ain't real

 

Quite the contrary. The bible is one of the best history books we have. XD
There is too much to take out of mythology than people wish to believe.

 

The bible is words... We are using words, no?

 

You are correct other animals have varying capacities for self reflection but only humans have that capacity to the extent that we can change the environment

 

yes, we are.

truth and untruth are both written in words, as well as fairytales.

 

Don't you be telling tales about the fairies... they don't like that.

 

Lets see. we've been at the ocean floor and in the stratosphere and in space and in the tropics and at the poles. We live in jungles and cities.
I'm not sure how much is left except we host bacteria parasites and, viruses
Can you think of any more?