How do we know what is and isn't real?

i have a simple and fair solution for you my brother, its all about perception, reality differs from person to person depending on your roots morals and experiences and especially your environment. its as simple as this man, this is how u know whats real and whats not.

lets say you had a dog, ever since a puppy u raised that dog in the same house, day in and day out, the dog never went outside, but could look out the window. it oculd see limited things outside and always wondered ya know. and so lets say, that dog wouldn't really ever know about africa, or asia, or even the store around the cornor. because its world, its reality, is that house. thats what it exist in.

now you and me and everyone eles reading this, we are all so much alike because we share the same.

lets say we have a human on a planet, (much like a dog in a house) and that human can see off the planet (much like a dog sees through a window) so what we naturally see here, is what is real. everything eles, was created by man. the only true reality is earth, that is what is real, and what isent real, is that what was created by man, government, money, media, territory, style, preference, right, wrong, religion, problems ect. ect. all of those concepts where man made, and are not real, but rather just thoughts.

the only thing real is earth, and whats beyond. that's true,

anything created by man. is false

filter ur life, and tune in to the real reality , turn on a higher state of mind, drop out of false reality .

 

I see. Thank you, you are eloquent enough.

 

Perception does not alter reality, it only colors it.

Under what set of circumstances is earth "real" and everything man-made is "false", and why?

 

I understand this. But say (for sake of discussion), upon death we leave the physical world and enter (re-enter perhaps) the metaphysical world. The metaphysical world can lie outside of or contain the physical world, but that does not make the metaphysical world tangible. The atmosphere contains the earth, but it is not tangible.

 

A better word I think to fit the sake of your discussion is "transcendent", meaning to go beyond perception.

 

There are a lot of assumptions here. You are drawing a very distinct line between physical and metaphysical.
Also, if a metaphysical exists, then it inherently must be tangible.
Just not necessarily tangible for YOU.
And the atmosphere technically is tangible.

 

Can you explain this please.

 

Sure, but fair warning - once we start talking about the metaphysical the discussion has to do more with belief than anything else.
In my mind, Nature is simply the outward manifestation of Mind, or rather, Mind the inner manifestation of Nature. Regardless of what level of reality we are referring to, if there is some external reality or set of conditions, then there must be an accompanying consciousness, because it will be produced. I'm not saying "reality" is dependent on consciousness perceiving it in order for it to exist, rather, for any level of reality there is also a level of consciousness that can perceive it as such.
The only true thing that can never be seen is the eternal Seer that is silently behind all sets of eyes, and who is beyond even the definition of "metaphysical".

 

Sight is not necessarily the same thing as vision.

 

Tell that to someone in a hurricane. If it wasn't tangible an airplane wouldn't fly.

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The belief in such is just another set of religions.

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I wouldn't go that far.
There are no rituals, rites, or anything to worship.
It's simply a belief about the nature of reality.

 

I can agree with this.

 

It takes a strong discernment and mastery of the Mind to be sure that there is a Seer.
There is thought, and then there is without thought.
When the mind is totally silenced, all that remains is Witness. This is not thought, it is the pool from which all thought arises.

 

That's logical. However what if that silence is just a perceived witness. A perceived period of thoughtlessness, when really the subconscious mind is still thinking that it is not thinking but observing. The mind thinks and thus I suppose is the perceiver, but once the mind is no more, is there still perception?

 

You've sunk into over-analysis.
The mind thrives on convolution.
What I am saying is the most simple, effortless thing in the world, and it's because of it's sublime simplicity that we find it difficult to perceive/understand.
It isn't something that can be taught, no one can convince you of it other than yourself. That's the power of your existence.

 

I understand what you're saying.

When I discuss things don't think that the things I say are necessarily what I believe. I simply discuss for the sake of learning and doing so.

So there is thought, and there is without thought.

When there is without thought, how do we know that it is without. Perhaps that time (used loosely) consists of things that we're not aware of, the metaphysical. And so it seems there is nothing. More so, when there is nothing (no thought) how do we know we exist there. If we're not thinking we can't be sure we exist because after all, I think therefore I am.

 

There is no right or wrong answer to this question its more of an opinion

 

Man this is deep, but very un-existentialist. As an Okie existentialist, I start off with the premise that I don't know squat, although I have my suspicions. I suspect that there's an external reality, and that logic and my senses, however faulty, put me in touch with it as well as I can be. A lot of what I believe is a choice. I believe in science, for example, and refuse to believe in talking animals and a 6,000 year old earth, even though I've just had a go-around in the Christian Sanctuary with folks who believe the opposite because the Bible says so. To me, there's no reason more reason to believe in those things than to believe in Muhammed's flying horse. I believe in Jesus but reject a lot of the doctrines people recite as Christian creeds. I believe agnostics are honest but dull, so I'm willing to take a chance with things that my experience, judgment, and intuition tell me are plausible and probable. I also assume that I'm at least 75% wrong about everything I believe, and will probably never know it by the time I expire. I envy people who can know these things with certainty, but it's the best I can do.

 

Great question, if we were to have a definitive answer what differance would it make ? its a good question to get you thinking, i beleive i exist because i can touch, see, smell, hear and taste life, for me that is good enough for me to beleive i exist in the universe or even that the universe exists, i think these are more like questions for the gods that wee can only contimplate, but no doubt make good brain food for when tripping lol