How do we know what is and isn't real?

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  1. thedope

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    And the truth is relative to truthful terms and the terms are same different and purposeful.
    Truthful terms are applied to a fairy tale if it is told by a fairy.
     
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    I didn't claim to be dualist i claim homo sapiens sapiens tasting and knowing man. I have two observable functions as an observable animal they are to taste and to know. As well we possess five tactile senses which we to taste our experience and reflect on that taste to become informed. The reason I mention that there is no visible seat of conscious is because of the fact that the mind is naturally abstract or we do in fact issue from a creative spirit. That is the union of the whole man and we have been relying only on the idea that experience was an isolated and purely self referential thing. That there was no guidance in the world and that it should remain a mystery to us. Of course that ideas worth can be seen in it's purpose which is to stifle investigation.
     
  3. guerillabedlam

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    If you're being that descript, we haven't even gone to another planet, let alone solar system or galaxy.

    Also, I don't think any human has travelled to the bottom of the ocean, I think that requires certain gear, which they have only tested in simulations. Humans don't occupy, as in live, in extremely cold conditions, such as parts of Anartica.
     
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    in that case it appears that we occupy every climate zone.
     
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    Read again
     
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    Are you saying those are the ones you come up with or what?
     
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    Okay I see now i didn't scroll up far enough.
    We have been standing on the moon and we have information gathering machines of which our very body is one on other planets and leave the solar system all together including landing on a comet. What about the inuit who travel the pack ice hunting narwal? And if you stand in the god damned ocean you on it's it's substrate. By certain gear do you mean cloths to protect you from the sun or rain or cold. you mean those kind of tools. You don't think we should be using tools?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhjG47gtMCo
     
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    So here is the thing there is no way out for us but up above the battle field, to transcend with the creative mind and the ascent is metered in tones. Raise the tone of the planet, reconnect with your biological local roots. If you haven't had an ecstatic experience then eat the mushroom. If you are good to go help those who are not.
     
  9. guerillabedlam

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    I think we should be using tools but I think its a stretch to suggest that humans occupy that comet we put a satellite on. I don't think Americans occupy the moon because our flag is on there.

    By gear, I mean that supposedly once people reach a certain depth in the ocean, the water pressure causes like a narcotic effect or something due to the lack of sunlight and aspects of the enviornment.
     
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    I can't think of a more enjoyable recipe for success. Sure beats working for the man.
    Would you rather be right of happy. It is our choice. No theirs.
     
  11. thedope

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    Trieste is a Swiss-designed, Italian-built deep-diving research bathyscaphe, which with her crew of two reached a record maximum depth of about 10,911 metres (35,797 ft), in the deepest known part of the Earth's oceans, the Challenger Deep, in the Mariana Trench near Guam in the Pacific. On 23 January 1960, Jacques Piccard (son of the boat's designer Auguste Piccard) and US Navy Lieutenant Don Walsh achieved the goal of Project Nekton.

    So much for the statement I don't believe eh? Not a very sound statement and yet you would gamble your future on your beliefs and argue with information presented to the contrary.
    We don't have time for that.
    You have to recognize that what I say about some of your not being able to perceive what exists is a fact and that if you did see it you wouldn't need any metaphysical ideas such as I don't believe, to support you.

    We occupy space being a body. no one else occupies the same space you occupy, how ever we in every sense share our thoughts and our sensations those two things coming from the personality that we are.
     
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    this is a description of both my process and our processes together explains in simplest way possible what is happening and what i am asking of you.
    It is a metaphorical tale of the experience we are having right.now. It was given to me disseminate. It coincides with mckennas descriptions of the alchemical laboratory of john Dee

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FyhTBvLu4w
     
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    As well it describes my request that you eat the mushroom lie down and take the inner space trip.
     
  14. guerillabedlam

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    Your conflation of visiting space and ocean floors with assisted or remote technology as occupying the area does not make sense to me. If that is the case then we are not the only species, to occupy on such space outside our enviornmental niche .

     
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    No duh
    ever here of extraterrestrial?
    Sir Arthur Charles Clarke, CBE, FRAS (Sri Lankabhimanya Arthur Charles Clarke) (16 December 1917 – 19 March 2008) was a British science fiction writer, science writer and futurist,[3] inventor, undersea explorer, and television series host.[4]
    He is perhaps most famous for being co-writer of the screenplay for the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey, widely considered to be one of the most influential films of all time.[5][6] His other science fiction writings earned him a number of Hugo and Nebula awards, along with a large readership, making him into one of the towering figures of the field. For many years he, Robert Heinlein, and Isaac Asimov were known as the "Big Three" of science fiction.[7]
    Clarke was a lifelong proponent of space travel. In 1934, while still a teenager, he joined the British Interplanetary Society. In 1945, he proposed a satellite communication system[8]—an idea that, in 1963, won him the Franklin Institute's Stuart Ballantine Medal[9]and other honors.[10] Later he was the chairman of the British Interplanetary Society from 1946–47 and again in 1951–53.[11]

    This big three is a time grab cubit just as I showed you before.
     
  16. Gongshaman

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    Our minds are not entirely our own. We exist as a food source for an infra-dimensional entity which are infinitely smarter than us, so we are pretty much helpless to do anything about it.
    What we normally experience is not the product of our true selves, our true minds. Our true selves have been subjugated, pushed down to nearly unreachable depths. At some point far back in the early history of human development the human species was taken hostage by infra- dimensional entity's that feed off the energy of human emotions. Our minds are a foreign installation and we are helpless under it's control. This mind always agrees with itself, therefore we lack the objectivity to apprehend reality as it affronts us locally. These entity's keep us like cattle, squeezing us with endless emotional drama from the projections they put into our minds, which are not really our minds, but theirs...they gave us their minds! Petty, selfish, jealous, violent, morbid, minds they are, just look around. Lao tsu knew about this but dared not mention it (for obvious reasons), but only offered a path to the true self through the arduous and difficult lifelong task of emptying of the mind, that one day those entity's would eventually find our energy's unpalatable and leave us alone long enough for the true self to emerge. Give up progress, ambition, possession, knowledge, intellect, give up all of it. Give up your mind, it's not your own. We all know this at some deep level, which accounts for all the substance abuse and other obsessions you see with people around the world. We all are seeking desperately to break the bonds of our perception, we are all seeking freedom!... but we lack the tools.

    "Seek the mind of no mind" the old one said. That is the only tool we've got, the only hope for mankind.
     
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    did you not notice those animals were sent up by us. they didn't make the machines that took them into space. Animals are ages long residents of this planet, we come and go where we will.
     
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    It doesn't appear that way to me. To see the world clearly is to instill a kind of eagerness that you had when you yo were coming into being strong. the weariness of feeling oppression by outside forces is a reflection of never having seen anything else for a very long time.
     
  19. guerillabedlam

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    you been to space or the bottom of the ocean?
     
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    I have fallen down and scuba dived. When i was twelve i climbed up an open air spiral staircase 45 feet to a little cubicle on top in a railroad switching yard. there was a big angled table with many lights dials and switches and a teletype machine and from that machine came lists of trains and each train car was described it's weight was shown and what destination it was travelling to. . From that information you were suppose to calculate how much to slow a car down with is what is called a retarder that squeezes and what track it should be switched onto to form the next train to the next destination If I make a mistake an engine has to go retrieve the car and push it over the hump again or if going to fast it can crash into the other cars sitting down the track. Now if that was the video game I was playing at twelve I don't think being an astronaut holds much appeal.
     

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