God Proven to Exist According to Mainstream Physics

A very reasonable question. It really depends on how you define "expanding". Metric expansion (as in, metric meaning a system of measurement rather than metres, millimetres and so on, in this context) is one explanation, but an understanding of this requires a detailed understanding of non-Euclidean geometry.


One way of looking at it (this is not necessarily correct, I merely offer the example) is that of growth of children. You never notice that your kids have grown in a period of a few weeks, but others who don't see them for six months do. It's an example of relativistic perception.

(and before the physics nerds flame me, yes I know that's a false allusion, but work with me here, these are foreign concepts to 99% of people)

 

99% here.

Another one is-if the earth lasted long enough,it would eventually be without exposed land due to erosion of it all by water. Another specious piece of speculation I guess. I'll stay out of the physics topic. Major in college was emptying my seminal vesicles in birth canals. So it goes.

 

lol. I don't know enough about hydrology and erosion to speculate.

If you're interested, Bill Bryson's A Short History Of Nearly Everything is a wonderful introduction to sciences. He writes very well, and it's an entertaining piece.

 

Thank you Green. I'll give it a try.

Having been mentally lazy in my youth,my area of expertise is confined to experiential sociological observation. I could use a little book-larnin'.

 

Ok, I can prove once and for all that god exists: ..................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

...Ok, I got nothing.

 

If there is a god/s-he/she/it's/they've got a lot of apologizin' to do,IMO.

If we,in our present forms were supposed to know the absolute--we would, regardless of as many fancy/fancifull theories as have been or will be postulated.

 

I think that if we were able to achieve knowledge of the abosolute, then we would also gain knowledge of who we truly are, and the abilities that we actually have. This would defeat our purpose in being here----to experience life. Therefore I think that while in the physical realms we are intetionally limited to knowledge ofthe physical realms. Over time we learn and discover and gradually advance ourselves. But most importantly, we experience life in all its beauty whether through joy, pain, ecstasy, depression... Whether we make good choices or bad, do terrible things or good things, or are afraid to step out of the house------it is all excperience.

 

Both Tipler's later rantings and Redford's current ones are sensibly refuted here. There's also some good advice on how to tell when somebody is trying to beat you over the head with the science-flavored god stick.

Also some interesting commentary on Tipler and the science-flavored god stick generally, here.

The Varieties of Crackpot Experience...

Further befuddleproofing can be found in Michael Shermer's http://www.amazon.com/People-Believe-Weird-Things-Pseudoscience/dp/0805070893/ref=la_B001H6MCNY_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1363059519&sr=1-3"] Why People Believe in Weird Things

 

No--it can't be. Why in Johnson vs Elliott (1933) it was legally proven that the Heisenberg Uncertainy Principal is a clear extrapolation of Newton's 25th Law, and is therefore a legal definition. That proves when you apply it to Hegellian dialectics, and then in turn an inverse of Kantian dialectics, along the lines of what Wittgenstein would have refered to as "Either p and q, or p and not -q, where p equals all reality and q is the Goat-god.

Let me put that in more simple terms--lets say that you were a photon speeding through the universe at the speed of light--suddenly you hit the lens, and pass through to the retina of the eye of the Goat-God. As you look behind you, you witness all time pass through to the end of the universe. Why does time pass so quickly that you witness the end of the universe? As clearly demonstrated in the previous paragraph, it can only happen because the Goat-God truly exists. And to prove this, I refer you back to the famous court case, Johnson vs Elliott (1933), in which the honourable court justices had no choice but to judge the case.

But alas, if you don't believe me, consider that we live in a Post-Kantian-Marcusian world. We could simply argue from a 1-dimensional point that a goat eats everything and you are what you eat, therefore a goat is everything, No matter how true that statement is, it is still just simple Sophistry---and it is important to avoid, when dealing with the truth of the great Goat-God, at all costs, any form of Sophistry. Therefore I rest my case.


PS I don't mean to insult the OP here----I just couldn't help myself but have a little fun here. Apologies in advance.

 

I shall have my economics lawyer write you an appropriate 100,000 word response.

:sunny:

 

Thanks for looking it up... I couldn't be bothered... him spouting that nonsense as fact just riled me up.

Still learning to be disaffected



The only thing I don't like about the Discover article is that they take the piss out of him for suggesting that global warming is linked to solar cycles.

That's a theory I've been suggesting for years too, global temperature cycles are quite clearly linked to solar activity... CO2 is a pathetic greenhouse gas, methane from cattle is a much worse gas an has a bigger negative effect on the environment than CO2.

CO2 is only used because it was the easiest thing to tax... CO2 based emissions regulations have absolutely nothing to do with global warming - they are just a new taxation model - nothing more.

That doesn't negate the fact that we still need to improve out treatment of the environment - of course not - it's very important. But lying about the reasons behind a taxation model are not helping.



Don't worry... just because tipler got one idea correct, doesn't mean they're all correct

 

OK Tastyweat---as long as he avoids any sophistry as I clearly did.

 

Is sophistry not the purpose of a lawyer? :sultan:

 

if the title of this thread were absolutely and literally true, it would still be a big "so what".

god, whatever, if ever, it is, is not the problem.

what people pretend to know, ABOUT whatever god or a god, might actually be, THAT, which is not, and cannot, be known, would STILL be, people pretending.

 

Good point!!!!!!!!

 

ahhh , i see ....an equation Perfectly beautiful .

in a previous proof-of-god discussion , one sweetheart christian
girl wrote that for the beauty of the earth , god is proven , and
that she was created to lovingly see it so .

 

Tipler's theory, including the concept of the Omega Point, builds on the work of Jesuit paleontologist, evolutionist, and mystic, Fr. Pierre Tielhard de Chardin. In the Old Testament, God, an Entity outside of time, describes Himself as the "Alpha and the Omega". To understand the Tielhard-Tipler theory, we have to adopt a paradoxical perspective familiar to Trekkies. God, the originator of human evolution and the communications technology that eventually came with it, is ultimately the endpoint of those developments--or vice versa, depending on your time-bound perspective. And after all, what is our essence other than information patterns. Eventually, all human consciousness will be transfered to computer simulation programs of virtual reality, if it hasn't been already (just like in The Matrix). This is what resurrection consists of. Those of us who are saved will become one with Omega. Those of us who have been naughty will be consigned to virtual hell in programs maintained by demonic robots. And the Geeks will inherit the earth. What could be more scientific than that? Tipler is one of those scientists like astronomer Fred Hoyle (also an ID proponent) who walk the fine line between genius and a padded cell. He might be right, and it just might be that all those articles the OP has cited for us (which none of us wants to bother to read because we know we won't understand them anyway) might prove that. I admit I take the lazy man's approach to questions like this. I'm betting, on the basis of instinct, that the guy is a nut job. If he's right, I might be singing a different tune, probably in high C, in virtual hell.

 

Below are six sections which contain very informative videos of physicist and mathematician Prof. Frank J. Tipler explaining the Omega Point cosmology, which is a proof (i.e., mathematical theorem) of God's existence per the known laws of physics (i.e., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), and the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE), which is also required by the known laws of physics. The seventh section contains an audio interview of Tipler.

I also provide some helpful notes and commentary for some of these videos.

For much more regarding the matters here, see my following article:

James Redford, "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Sept. 10, 2012 (orig. pub. Dec. 19, 2011), 186 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1974708, http://ssrn.com/abstract=1974708 , http://archive.org/download/ThePhys...TheoryOfEverything/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , http://theophysics.host56.com/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf , http://alphaomegapoint.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/redford-physics-of-god.pdf , http://sites.google.com/site/physicotheism/home/Redford-Physics-of-God.pdf

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The following is my favorite video that I've so far seen of Prof. Tipler:

Frank Tipler and Lawrence Krauss, Michael Shermer (Producer), A Great Debate: Can Physics Prove God and Christianity? (prod. co.: Skeptics Society [Altadena, Cal.]), run time: 2:13 h:min. Video of a debate held at the California Institute of Technology (Caltech; Pasadena, Cal.) on June 3, 2007. Frank-Tipler-vs-Lawrence-Krauss-Debate-Caltech-2007-6-3.mp4 , 390464045 bytes, MD5: 53363e2c304535ba0627135c4710180d. http://flashmirrors.com/files/4h8ma8ofktmntv1 , http://mirrorstack.com/p3a7cwnqajzn


Michael Shermer (founder of the Skeptics Society) is the moderator of the debate. Bill Nye (of Bill Nye the Science Guy) is among the audience members.


Prof. Tipler starts his presentation at 15:57 min:sec. Tipler points out that we have had a Theory of Everything (TOE) in physics for some 30 years with the arrival of the Standard Model of particle physics, since the Standard Model describes all forces in nature except for gravity. The Standard Model is a quantum field theory, i.e., it involves Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle physics. And gravity is described by General Relativity. The problem has been to make General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics consistent with each other, which Tipler points out is done with the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg theory of quantum gravity when the appropriate boundary conditions on the universe are used, which includes the initial Big Bang, and the final Omega Point, cosmological singularities.

Tipler shows a graphic listing General Relativity as having the general linear group of GL(4, R) symmetry group; and the Standard Model of particle physics as having the Lie group of 3 Lie symmetry group.

19:33 min:sec ff.: In the 1960s Richard Feynman at Caltech quantized a spin-2 field using his path integral method. Quantizing a spin-2 field requires it to be a spacetime metric and imposes the full GL(4, R) symmetry group.

At 19:54 min:sec ff., Tipler points out that the Feynman quantum gravity theory is unique, i.e., it is the only quantum gravity theory possible if General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics are correct (cf. 32:11 min:sec ff.), since General Relativity requires gravity to be a spin-2 field, and the Hulse and Taylor pulsar confirmation of Einstein's quadrupole formula verified that gravity is a spin-2 field. General Relativity also states that gravity is a phenomenon of the curvature of the spacetime metric with observer independence, i.e., physics cannot depend locally on the observer, which gives the GL(4, R) symmetry group of General Relativity.

20:44 min:sec ff.: Steven Weinberg later showed that the Feynman theory of quantum gravity is renormalizable, which means that the term-by-term infinities in the Feynman diagrams can be absorbed into constants, so it is no worse than other quantum field theories. However, there are actually two sources of infinity in quantum field theory: the ones that are renormalized away, as previously mentioned; and the ones that generate the divergence of the power series of the S-matrix (i.e., scattering matrix).

21:21 min:sec ff.: It has been known for 50 years what the cause of this series divergence is: it's a bad choice of the vacuum state, which Freeman Dyson showed in a paper in Physical Review in 1952 (see F. J. Dyson, "Divergence of Perturbation Theory in Quantum Electrodynamics", Physical Review, Vol. 85, No. 4 [Feb. 1952], pp. 631-632). David Geroch showed that perturbation theory in String Theory also has a series divergence for essentially the same reason.

22:18 min:sec ff.: Tipler mentions Liouville's Theorem in complex analysis. One way of stating said Theorem is that all analytic functions (i.e., holomorphic functions) other than constants have singularities either a finite distance from the origin of coordinates or at infinity, which is analogous to what occurs with the universe: the only way to avoid infinities in spacetime (consequently causing the instantaneous collapse of the entire universe) is for the universe to begin and end at singularities. Moreover, it doesn't matter what form of physics one resorts to, as any physically-realistic cosmology (e.g., one capable of incorporating Quantum Mechanics, since the complex number field is intrinsic to the mathematical formulations of Quantum Mechanics) must begin at an initial singularity and end at a final singularity. (As Barrow and Tipler wrote, "Initial and final cosmological curvature singularities are required to avoid a universal action singularity." See John D. Barrow and Frank J. Tipler, "Action principles in nature", Nature, Vol. 331, No. 6151 [Jan. 7, 1988], pp. 31-34; see also Frank J. Tipler, "The Structure of the Classical Cosmological Singularity", in Origin and Early History of the Universe: Proceedings of the 26th Liège International Astrophyscial Colloquium, July 1-4, 1986 [Cointe-Ougree, Belgium: Universite de Liege, Institut d'Astrophysique, 1987], pp. 339-359; "Discussion", pp. 360-361.)

23:23 min:sec ff.: Feynman quantum gravity makes a singularity even more inevitable than the Penrose-Hawking-Geroch Singularity Theorems, since the Singularity Theorems assume attractive gravity, whereas with Feynman quantum gravity the sum-over-histories (i.e., sum-over-paths; path integral formulation) get arbitrarily close to infinite curvature. In other words, the multiverse has its own singularity.

24:04 min:sec ff.: Imposing unitarity avoids the spacetime infinities of quantum field theory, since if there were not a cut-off to the energies of quantum field theory then miniature black holes would be created and quickly evaporate, thereby violating unitarity. 26:21 min:sec ff.: This mechanism to stabilize quantum field theory only works if there is an initial singularity and a final singularity and if there are no event horizons, which also solves the black hole information problem. 26:55 min:sec ff.: The absence of event horizons is only possible if the universe is spatially close, and in particular has the spatial topology of a three-sphere (i.e., 3-sphere; S^3); also, only if the final singularity is a single point in the Penrose c-boundary construction, called the Omega Point.

27:18 min:sec ff.: This picks out a global vacuum state which must define a classical universe now; this means that the wave function of the universe must have initially been a Dirac delta function, which explains the observed flatness of the universe without resorting to nonempirical new physics such as Inflation Theory (requiring the unobserved inflation field, i.e., inflaton particles), but rather is simply quantum kinematics: a result of wave-packet spreading (as an analogy, Tipler gives a version of wave-packet spreading as sound waves heard around the corner of a building, which is an example of wave diffraction).

28:05 min:sec ff.: In such a universe, quantum field theory in the form of the Bekenstein Bound forces the initial state of the universe to be homogeneous and isotropic; and it also picks out a unique field of the Standard Model, the SU(2)_L field which gives the observed excess of matter over antimatter, whereas the usual boundary condition used by physicists--which is inconsistent with quantum field theory--gives a baryon-generating mechanism that produces far too many photons to baryons. Also, the perturbation spectrum is necessarily scale-invariant since the universe is necessarily flat (as was basically shown by Edward Robert Harrison long before Inflation Theory was even though of).

29 min ff.: What the above all means is that reality consists of a multiverse, with each universe in the multiverse starting at an initial singularity and eventually collapsing into a final singularity. Said Big Bang initial singularity and Omega Point final singularity are actually connected by a third singularity: the All-Presents singularity, which exists at each time for each universe in the multiverse. That is, there exists three connected hypostases to existence: the First Cause, the Sustaining Cause, and the Final Cause, which are not in spacetime but instead are the boundary of space and time, and which are not themselves subject to any possible form of physics, i.e., they are quite literally supernatural.

32:11 min:sec ff.: Feynman-Weinberg quantum gravity is the unique quantization of General Relativity, i.e., it's the only way to quantize General Relativity, since gravity in General Relativity is a spin-2 field, and General Relativity is a spacetime metric and possesses the full GL(4, R) symmetry group. (Herein "unique" means the only one mathematically possible.) General Relativity is the unique specialization (i.e., subset; special case) of Newtonian mechanics with the specification imposed that Newtonian mechanics be consistent with Maxwell's Equations, i.e., that the speed of light is the same for all observers. Elie Cartan showed that in Newtonian mechanics, gravity is curvature of time only; whereas in General Relativity, gravity is curvature of space and time, i.e., spacetime (cf. Frank J. Tipler, The Physics of Christianity [New York: Doubleday, 2007], p. 33; and pp. 79-80 of Frank J. Tipler, "Albert Einstein: A Scientific Reactionary", pp. 73-83, in John Brockman [Ed.], My Einstein [New York: Vintage Books, 2007; orig. pub. 2006]). 33 min ff.: Similarly, Quantum Mechanics is the unique specialization of Newtonian mechanics in its most powerful formulation, the Hamilton-Jacobi Equation, with the specification imposed that determinism is maintained: since the Hamilton-Jacobi Equation is indeterministic, because when particle trajectories cross paths a singularity is produced (i.e., the values in the equations become infinite) and so it is no possible to predict (even in principle) what happens after that (cf. id., The Physics of Christianity, pp. 48-49; and 7:17 min:sec ff., Casey Luskin, interview of Frank Tipler, "Part 1: Einstein Vs. Darwin", Intelligent Design the Future, Feb. 13, 2013, audio run time: 17:25 min:sec).

33:17 min:sec ff.: For these reasons--the fact that the history of physics since Newton has been a series of specializations, rather than generalizations, of fundamental physics--we can be confident that we have the correct Theory of Everything (TOE) in physics and that there is not going to be any new physics that comes along to displace the current known laws of physics. That is, since after Newton's physics, there has been no "revolution" in physics (e.g., such as with General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, etc.), but instead an evolution of physics: the fundamental physics of today are simply more specific subsets of Newtonian mechanics, i.e., Newtonian mechanics with specific constrains put on it in order to make it consistent with observations and to make its resulting subsets mutually mathematically consistent with each other. So in over 300 years we have never left the realm of Newton's physics. And all the forces in physics are now described and made mutually consistent with the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity theory and the Standard Model of particle physics.

Prof. Tipler then goes on to show how, using only the known laws of physics, the miracles of Jesus Christ are physically possible. This process uses baryon annihilation (which is allowed in the Standard Model, as baryon number minus lepton number, B - L, is conserved), and its inverse, by way of electroweak quantum tunneling caused via the Principle of Least Action by the physical requirement that the Omega Point final cosmological singularity exists. Tipler also proposes that the virgin birth of Jesus by Mary could be possible via Jesus being a special type of XX male who obtained all of his genetic material from Mary (i.e., an instance of parthenogenesis). Tipler concludes that the Star of Bethlehem was either a Type Ic hypernova located in the Andromeda Galaxy, or a Type Ia supernova located in a globular cluster of our own Milky Way Galaxy.

If the Incarnation of Jesus Christ and the miracles attributed to him in the New Testament were necessary in order to lead to the formation of the Omega Point--and if the known laws of physics are correct--then the probability of these events occurring is certain. Furthermore, Tipler proposes tests on particular relics associated with Jesus which, if the relics are genuine, could verify whether in fact said miracles took place via the aforementioned mechanisms.


Physicist Prof. Lawrence M. Krauss starts his presentation at 49:36 min:sec. 52:54 min:sec ff.: Krauss begins by engaging in the logical fallacy of bare assertion. Krauss asserts that (1) the Standard Model of particle physics isn't complete; (2) we don't have a consistent theory of quantum gravity; (3) the universe doesn't have to collapse; (4) we don't understand the nature of dark energy; and (5) we don't know why there is more matter than antimatter in the universe.

In answer to Krauss: (1) The Standard Model describes all forces in nature except for gravity. And gravity is described by General Relativity. (2) The problem has been to make General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics consistent with each other, which is done with the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity theory. (3) The universe must collapse in finite time or otherwise unitarity will be violated (see p. 925 [cf. pp. 904-905] of F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers", Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 [Apr. 2005], pp. 897-964). (4) The dark energy is the positive cosmological constant. As required by the Standard Model of particle physics, the net baryon number was created in the early universe by baryogenesis via electroweak quantum tunneling. This necessarily forces the Higgs field to be in a vacuum state that is not its absolute vacuum, which is the cause of the observed cosmological constant. (5) The universe's initial SU(2)_L field of the Standard Model--which is required by quantum field theory--gives the observed excess of matter over antimatter. See op. cit. for details on the foregoing matters.

Prof. Krauss attempts to rebut Prof. Tipler's proposed mechanism for the miracles of Jesus Christ by relating how statistically improbable such events are, yet this doesn't actually address Tipler's arguments since Tipler's point is that such seemingly improbable events would be forced to occur by the known laws of physics via the Principle of Least Action if said events are required in order for the universe to evolve into the Omega Point final singularity. Krauss himself in his review of Tipler's book The Physics of Christianity admits that this mechanism which Tipler proposes for Jesus Christ's miracles is physically sound if said miracles were necessary in order to lead to the formation of the Omega Point and if the Omega Point is required in order for existence to exist (see Lawrence Krauss, "More dangerous than nonsense", New Scientist, Vol. 194, No. 2603 [May 12, 2007], p. 53).

1:00:52 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss provides a quote from Gerardus 't Hooft, but as with Krauss's discussion of probabilities, 't Hooft's remarks are irrelevant to Tipler's actual argument, since 't Hooft is assuming boundary conditions on the universe which are inconsistent with quantum field theory rather than the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE boundary conditions which makes all the laws of physics mutually mathematically consistent with each other.

1:02:01 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss provides a quote from Steven Weinberg, of which again is irrelevant to Tipler's actual argument, since as with 't Hooft, Weinberg is assuming inconsistent boundary conditions.

Krauss, 't Hooft, and Weinberg are all particle physicists. Whereas Tipler is not only an expert in quantum field theory (i.e., Quantum Mechanics combined with special-relativistic particle physics) but also an expert in Global General Relativity and computer theory. Furthermore, neither Krauss, 't Hooft, nor Weinberg display any awareness of Tipler's 2005 Reports on Progress in Physics paper which presents the technical details of the Omega Point TOE.

1:03:15 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss claims that all the evidence in nature indicates that the universe will expand forever. Ironically, Krauss has actually published a paper that greatly helped to strengthen Tipler's Omega Point cosmology. Some have suggested that the current acceleration of the universe's expansion due to the positive cosmological constant would appear to obviate the Omega Point. However, Profs. Krauss and Turner point out that "there is no set of cosmological observations we can perform that will unambiguously allow us to determine what the ultimate destiny of the Universe will be." (See Lawrence M. Krauss and Michael S. Turner, "Geometry and Destiny", General Relativity and Gravitation, Vol. 31, No. 10 [Oct. 1999], pp. 1453-1459.) While cosmological observations cannot tell us what the ultimate fate of the universe will be, the known laws of physics themselves can, as the universe is forced to end in finite proper time in order for unitarity to remain unviolated (again, see p. 925 [cf. pp. 904–905] of id., "The structure of the world from pure numbers", op. cit.).


1:23:06 h:min:sec ff.: Tipler starts his response to Krauss, wherein Tipler addresses Krauss's claims.


1:29:22 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss starts his second response to Tipler.

1:31:09 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss talks about "the energy of empty space", by which he means the dark energy. See my above response to Krauss's previous comments on the dark energy.


1:32:29 h:min:sec ff.: Tipler and Krauss take questions from the audience.

1:35:57 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss claims that we don't understand physics well enough to know whether unitarity is violated if an astrophysical black hole were to evaporate.

Regarding proposed solutions to the black hole information issue, all except for Tipler's Omega Point cosmology share the common feature of using proposed new laws of physics that have never been experimentally confirmed--and indeed which violate the known laws of physics--such as with Prof. Stephen Hawking's paper on the black hole information issue which is dependent on the conjectured String Theory-based anti-de Sitter space/conformal field theory correspondence (AdS/CFT correspondence). (See S. W. Hawking, "Information loss in black holes", Physical Review D, Vol. 72, No. 8 [Oct. 15, 2005], Art. No. 084013, 4 pp.) Hence, the end of the universe in finite proper time via collapse before a black hole completely evaporates is required if unitarity is to remain unviolated, i.e., if General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics--which are what the proofs of Hawking radiation derive from--are true statements of how the world works.

1:42:13 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss invokes the Christ myth theory, including incorrectly claiming that nearly every religion has had virgin births.

Regarding the Christ myth theory, virtually all the items which the Christ myth theorists claim as facts which show the parallels of Christianity with earlier pagan religions are completely fabricated modern claims that can't be found in the historical record. For an excellent discussion on this, see the following video:

"Did Jesus Exist? Shattering the Christ Myth (JP Holding)", rfvidz, Mar. 30, 2012. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBHjZhz1Os4"]Did Jesus Exist? Shattering the Christ Myth (JP Holding) - YouTube , http://bethelchristianfellowship.info/flash_media/jp3ChristMythCopyCat.m4v

The above video is an interview of James Patrick Holding (editor of Shattering the Christ Myth: Did Jesus Not Exist? [Maitland, Fla.: Xulon Press, 2008] http://www.amazon.com/Shattering-Christ-James-Patrick-Holding/dp/1606472712"]Shattering the Christ Myth: James Patrick Holding: 9781606472712: Amazon.com: Books ) by Dr. Craig Johnson on the topic of the Christ myth theory. See also the below resources regarding the Christ myth theory on J. P. Holding's website:

"Were Bible stories and characters stolen from pagan myths?", Tekton Education and Apologetics Ministry. http://www.tektonics.org/copycathub.html

"Did Jesus exist?", op. cit. http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html

1:47:06 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss agrees that the only hope for eternal life is in a collapsing universe.

1:48:06 h:min:sec ff.: An audience member asks Tipler about Matthew 10:23, Mark 9:1 and John 5:25 as being examples of where Jesus Christ incorrectly thought that the End Time was imminent, i.e., within Jesus's own generation.

Matthew 10:23, New King James Version (NKJV) states, "When they persecute you in this city, flee to another. For assuredly, I say to you, you will not have gone through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." And indeed they did not go through all the cities of Israel before they died, and hence before Christ's Second Coming.

Mark 9:1, NKJV (cf. Matthew 16:28; Luke 9:27) states, "And He said to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you that there are some standing here who will not taste death till they see the kingdom of God present with power.'" And then the very next passages concern Christ's Transfiguration, whereby Heaven was also shown.

John 5:25, NKJV states, "Most assuredly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God; and those who hear will live." But the next passages, John 5:26-29, go on to state, "For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself, and has given Him authority to execute judgment also, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth--those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation." These passages relate to Jesus's statement that "I am the resurrection and the life." (John 11:25, NKJV. Cf. John 8:12 [cf. 1 John 1:5]; 14:6.) In other words, those raised from death are already existing within Jesus Christ in His transcendent Second Person aspect, since the Father and the Son are One (see Isaiah 9:6; John 10:30; 14:6-13). So when Jesus said this, it was a different way of saying that the Resurrection and the Life stood there before them right then in His human aspect.

So in each of these scripture passages which this audience member gave as examples of Christ getting some things wrong are both examples of Him being correct.

Sometimes people also give Matthew 24:32-35 as being an example of Christ making an incorrect prophecy. However, "this generation" referred to in Matthew 24:34 concerns the generation which witnesses the signs of the End Time which Jesus discusses.

2:02:13 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss talks about Newtonian mechanics being replaced by General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics, and hence that we shouldn't be surprised that the current known laws of physics might also be replaced. However, as Tipler pointed out in his presentation, the fundamental physics of today are simply more specific subsets of Newtonian mechanics, i.e., Newtonian mechanics with specific constrains put on it in order to make it consistent with observations and to make its resulting subsets mutually mathematically consistent with each other. Hence, we have never left the realm of Newton's physics. And all the forces in physics are now described and made mutually consistent with the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE. (See above for more on that.) 2:03:26 h:min:sec ff.: Krauss states that the Standard Model of particle physics produces nonsense answers when pushed to high enough energies, as does Quantum Electrodynamics (QED). However, as Tipler previously pointed out in his presentation, imposing unitarity avoids the spacetime infinities of quantum field theory, since if there were not a cut-off to the energies of quantum field theory then miniature black holes would be created and quickly evaporate, thereby violating unitarity. Krauss also gives the infinities of quantum field theory as a reason for thinking that new forms of physics will be required at higher energy scales. However, this mechanism to the energy cut-off also allows the energies to gradually scale to infinity during the collapse phase of the universe (the energies only become actually infinite at the cosmological singularity), which means that there is no need for new physics at higher energy scales.

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Since the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model Theory of Everything (TOE) is mathematically required by the known laws of physics, of which said physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment to date, the only way Krauss could have actually argued against Tipler is to argue that the known laws of physics might be wrong. But because those physical laws have been confirmed by every experiment to date, there exists no rational reason to think that they are wrong. Hence, Krauss's irrelevant arguments (or bare assertions, as Krauss also engaged in) against Tipler were unavoidable, since Krauss set himself a logically-impossible task.

For details on the Omega Point TOE, see the following paper by Prof. Tipler:

* F. J. Tipler, "The structure of the world from pure numbers", Reports on Progress in Physics, Vol. 68, No. 4 (Apr. 2005), pp. 897-964, doi:10.1088/0034-4885/68/4/R04, bibcode: 2005RPPh...68..897T. http://www.math.tulane.edu/~tipler/theoryofeverything.pdf Also released as Frank J. Tipler, "Feynman-Weinberg Quantum Gravity and the Extended Standard Model as a Theory of Everything", arXiv:0704.3276, Apr. 24, 2007. http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.3276

The following is the first article on the Omega Point TOE:

* Frank J. Tipler, "Genesis: How the Universe Began According to Standard Model Particle Physics", arXiv:astro-ph/0111520, Nov. 28, 2001. http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0111520 For images that go with the article, see "Frank J. Tipler, Diagrams", Theophysics: God Is the Ultimate Physicist. http://theophysics.ifastnet.com/tipler-diagrams.html

For the details regarding the point Prof. Tipler made in his presentation about how modern physics (i.e., General Relativity, Quantum Mechanics, and the Standard Model of particle physics) are simply special cases of classical mechanics (i.e., Newtonian mechanics, particularly in its most powerful formulation of the Hamilton-Jacobi Equation), see the following articles:

* Frank J. Tipler, "The Obama-Tribe 'Curvature of Constitutional Space' Paper is Crackpot Physics", Social Science Research Network (SSRN), Oct. 26, 2008, 45 pp., doi:10.2139/ssrn.1271310. http://ssrn.com/abstract=1271310

* Maurice J. Dupré and Frank J. Tipler, "General Relativity as an Æther Theory", International Journal of Modern Physics D, Vol. 21, No. 2 (Feb. 2012), Art. No. 1250011, 16 pp., doi:10.1142/S0218271812500113, bibcode: 2012IJMPD..2150011D. http://worldscientific.com/doi/abs/10.1142/S0218271812500113 Also at arXiv:1007.4572, July 26, 2010. http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.4572

* Frank J. Tipler, "Hamilton-Jacobi Many-Worlds Theory and the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle", arXiv:1007.4566, July 26, 2010. http://arxiv.org/abs/1007.4566

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In the longer video below, Prof. Tipler gives a popular-audience explanation of the Omega Point cosmology and how the miracles of Jesus Christ are allowed by the known laws of physics:

Jennifer Mayerle, "Does God Exist?", CBS 46 News (WGCL-TV, Atlanta, Ga.), Nov. 13, 2008. In addition to video of the television news report, also contains a 1:08:33 h:min:sec video of a lecture by Prof. Tipler on the Omega Point cosmology. Frank-Tipler-Does-God-Exist-CBS-46-WGCL-2008-11-13.zip , 130201087 bytes, MD5: 63eb6e6eeffb5176bc6590015fd08370. http://flashmirrors.com/files/jmbexhjncxexwo3 , http://mirrorstack.com/48aqe4exglh3

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In the following video, Prof. Tipler discusses how the collapse of the universe is required in order for immortality to exist, and Tipler explains how the universe's collapse will be forced by sapient life:

Frank Tipler, "The Physics of Immortality, Threats to Terran Society, & Self-Replicating Nanotechnology", First Annual Workshop on Geoethical Nanotechnology (prod. co.: Terasem Movement, Inc. [Melbourne Beach, Fla.]), run time: 33 min. Video of a lecture Tipler gave at the Terasem Retreat in Lincoln, Vt. on July 20, 2005. Frank-Tipler-Lecture-Terasem-Movement-2005-7-20.wmv , 263859603 bytes, MD5: 89ee5241a3af7d14bae509bd12654642. http://flashmirrors.com/files/0e7hskx9cgoavzl/Frank-Tipler-Lecture-Terasem-Movement-2005-7-20.wmv , http://mirrorstack.com/6danmutl39bw

Video file source:

"Program for 1st Annual Workshop on Geoethical Nanotechnology", Terasem Movement, July 20, 2005.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/20060521221138/http://www.terasemfoundation.org/program.htm
http://www.webcitation.org/6FPIMiykv

http://wayback.archive.org/web/2007...wnload.akamai.com/12032/terasem/Tiplerdsl.wmv
http://www.webcitation.org/6FPKF1KUs
mms://a1415.v12032b.c12032.g.vm.akamaistream.net/7/1415/12032/v0001/kurzweil.download.akamai.com/12032/terasem/Tiplerdsl.wmv

Microsoft PowerPoint presentation:

Frank Tipler, "The Universe's Acceleration Must Stop If Life Is to Survive Forever", 10 pp.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/2005....terasemfoundation.org/webcast/ppt/Tipler.ppt
http://www.webcitation.org/6FH8MuR3q

Transcript of Prof. Tipler's above lecture:

Frank Tipler and Ray Kurzweil, "The Physics of Immortality, Threats to Terran Society, & Self-Replicating Nanotechnology, and An Exchange Between Frank Tipler and Ray Kurzweil Regarding Ways to Avoid an End to the Universe", Journal of Geoethical Nanotechnology, Vol. 1, No. 1 (1st quarter 2006); adapted from a lecture given by Frank Tipler at the First Annual Workshop on Geoethical Nanotechnology on July 20, 2005. http://www.terasemjournals.org/GNJournal/GN0101/tipler_01a.html , http://www.terasemjournals.org/GNJournal/GN0101/tipler_01g.html

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Chauncy Glover, "Man says equation proves God exists", Action News (WTEV-TV CBS 47 and WAWS Fox 30, Jacksonville, Fla.), May 17, 2010. Frank-Tipler-CBS-47-WTEV-Fox-30-WAWS-2010-5-17.zip , 16320134 bytes, MD5: 71cc1f4ddd1ddac493fea43f2facd63e. http://flashmirrors.com/files/00o4rkxfw67pm8j/Frank-Tipler-CBS-47-WTEV-Fox-30-WAWS-2010-5-17.zip , http://mirrorstack.com/ij85k77h6pkq

Note that the news article misattributes the statement "Everything in here is correct and his interpretation of the equation is correct. ..." to Tipler, when in fact as the video of the report makes clear, it was Prof. Paul Richard Simony, head of the Department of Physics at Jacksonville University, who made this statement.

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In the below video, Prof. Tipler's presentation starts at 41:32 min:sec and ends at 1:26:08 h:min:sec. Tipler's talk was part of the Turing Church Online Workshop 2, held on December 11, 2011.

"JH-MR-FT-RS Turing Church Online Workshop", telexlr8, Dec. 12, 2011, run time: 2:09:16 h:min:sec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEHHWI8MNAw"]JH-MR-FT-RS Turing Church Online Workshop - YouTube , http://blip.tv/telexlr8/jh-mr-ft-rs-turing-church-online-workshop-2-5819232 , http://vimeo.com/33643521

The following video is an excerpt of Tipler's above presentation:

"FT Turing Church Online Workshop", telexlr8, Dec. 13, 2011, run time: 21:47 min:sec. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tx3UXWigM"]FT Turing Church Online Workshop - YouTube , http://blip.tv/telexlr8/ft-turing-church-online-workshop-2-5819235 , http://vimeo.com/33643414


The times given below are for the shorter video above (i.e., the excerpt video):


2:40 min:sec ff.: General Relativity is Newtonian mechanics made consistent with the requirement that the speed of light is the same for all observers. The speed of light being the same for all observers is an automatic consequence of Maxwell's Equations, which was first shown by Hendrik Lorentz and then Albert Einstein.

3:20 min:sec ff.: James Clerk Maxwell obtained his Equations because there were five fundamental laws coming from experiment: Faraday's Law; Gauss's Law; Ampère's Law; No Magnetic Monopoles; and Conservation of Electric Charge. Maxwell realized that these laws were mutually mathematically inconsistent: the Conservation of Electric Charge directly contradicts Ampère's Law. So what Maxwell did was add a term to Ampère's Law which made it consistent with the other equations. Maxwell was left with only four equations, but the Conservation of Electric Charge could be derived from them. However, Maxwell's Equations meant that the speed of light had to be the same for all observers.

4:10 min:sec ff.: Elie Cartan showed that in Newtonian mechanics, gravity is curvature of time only; whereas in General Relativity, gravity is curvature of space and time, i.e., spacetime (cf. Frank J. Tipler, The Physics of Christianity [New York: Doubleday, 2007], p. 33; and pp. 79-80 of Frank J. Tipler, "Albert Einstein: A Scientific Reactionary", pp. 73-83, in John Brockman [Ed.], My Einstein [New York: Vintage Books, 2007; orig. pub. 2006]). When Lorentz and Einstein's insight regarding the speed of light being the same for all observers is combined with Newtonian mechanics, then the Newton equations automatically become the Einstein equations.

5:05 min:sec ff.: Quantum Mechanics is a subset of Newtonian mechanics in the most general form of Newtonian mechanics, called the Hamilton-Jacobi Equation, as was independently shown by Lev Landau and David Bohm.

Hence, there was no scientific revolution in the 20th century: what we are in fact doing when we use General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics is using subsets of Newtonian mechanics. Consequently, since all the forces in nature have been described and made consistent with each other (i.e., in the form of the Omega Point/Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity/Standard Model TOE), we have a Theory of Everything (TOE) in physics.

6:12 min:sec ff.: Tipler then goes on to show how the Omega Point cosmology is forced by the known laws of physics.

13:30 min:sec ff.: Tipler discusses quantum indistinguishability, which has been confirmed by many experiments.

18:56 min:sec ff.: There are still infinities in quantum field theory which are not eliminated by renormalization, as has been known since Freeman Dyson's work on this issue more than 50 years ago. However, when one takes into account the requirement imposed by unitarity that the universe must end in finite proper time, these nonrenormalizable infinities in quantum field theory and in Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity can be absorbed into the final singularity so that they never appear within spacetime, whereas the typical boundary conditions used by physicists make quantum field theory inconsistent with observations.

19:50 min:sec ff.: Imposing the Hawking boundary conditions (i.e., that the universe must end in finite proper time in order to avoid the violation of unitarity) on standard quantum field theory and standard quantum gravity theory (i.e., the Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg theory of quantum gravity) makes these theories fully mathematically consistent. One thereby obtains a full theory of quantum gravity, of which quantum gravity theory makes the Standard Model of particle physics fully finite within spacetime, which means that with said Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity theory and the Standard Model of particle physics one has a full Theory of Everything (TOE) in physics which is fully mathematically consistent, is finite within spacetime, and is in full agreement with experiment.

21:10 min:sec ff.: The Wheeler-DeWitt Equation is fully mathematically consistent with Feynman-DeWitt-Weinberg quantum gravity once the same aforesaid boundary conditions are imposed.

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Host Harry P. Greenberger, Board President Emeritus of the New Orleans Secular Humanist Association (NOSHA; http://nosha.info ), talks with Prof. Frank J. Tipler. NOSHA produces a half-hour program, The New Orleans Humanist Perspective, which airs on Cox Cable, Channel 76, New Orleans, La., Fridays at 8:30 a.m. and p.m., and Sundays at 12 a.m. and p.m.

"Program #135: Einstein and Darwin with Dr. Frank J. Tipler", NewOrleansHumanists, Mar. 15, 2013. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOejgL8967U"]Program #135: Einstein and Darwin with Dr. Frank J. Tipler - YouTube

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The below audio interview of Prof. Frank Tipler by Casey Luskin for the Intelligent Design the Future (ID the Future [IDTF]; http://idthefuture.com ) podcast was recorded on February 11, 2013:

"Part 1: Einstein Vs. Darwin", Feb. 13, 2013, run time: 17:25 min:sec. http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/index/2013-02-13T17_47_50-08_00 , http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2013-02-13T17_47_50-08_00.mp3 , http://www.webcitation.org/6ER9vOCSX

"Part 2: Einstein Vs. Darwin", Feb. 15, 2013, run time: 13:54 min:sec. http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/index/2013-02-15T17_51_01-08_00 , http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2013-02-15T17_51_01-08_00.mp3 , http://www.webcitation.org/6ESvK1hGX

"Part 3: Einstein Vs. Darwin", Feb. 20, 2013, run time: 10:43 min:sec. http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/index/2013-02-20T16_21_03-08_00 , http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2013-02-20T16_21_03-08_00.mp3 , http://www.webcitation.org/6EaXBoyA7

"Frank Tipler: Could Einstein Be Published Under Today's Peer-Review Policies?", Feb. 27, 2013, run time: 13:44 min:sec. http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/entry/index/2013-02-27T16_43_59-08_00 , http://intelligentdesign.podomatic.com/enclosure/2013-02-27T16_43_59-08_00.mp3 , http://www.webcitation.org/6Elz3HRgg

 

"...the only hope for eternal life is in a collapsing universe."

if a Jesus miracle enabled the universe to collapse , and i'd rather
that this collapse doesn't happen , and i see that very nice miracles
happen tho the Lord has gone and nay returned ... which is not at
all iffy ... then if is the collapser .

in one equation Jesus=Light . i'm confident our mathematical understanding
of light's nature is inadequate . for one thing , light can make a perfect circle .
for another , we may speak light with simple eloquence . i wish you green .