Firefighters Let Mans Home Burn Over Unpaid $75 Fee

There are alot of ways to get killed or injured putting out a fire, and improper training would have nothing to do with it, Power lines falling, gas explosions, falling walls, its called the unexpected and it happens all the time

 

fuck him and his house....he should also be charged with cruelty to animals....and i am glad you are not my neighbor too....the stupid fuck wont be lighting barrel fires any where near the next place...will he?

 

they get hurt every day despite the training.....i cant believe you said that....you are not supposed to just make stuff up to bolster your arguement

 

See thats the way it works in communities that have taxes. This guys house was in Tenn. thats the heart of the fuck paying taxes I dont need help from any gov entity because I can stand on my own two feet. So instead of everyone paying taxes and sharing the same services these people choose to pay very little taxes, leaving them with little or no services. To get around this these folks can pay fees for the services that taxes would provide. My area by the way is much the same as yours but thats because we both choose to live in states that tax to for service. And I am not sure the firefighters insurance would cover an injury or death at all because they were not supposed to be there in the first place.

 

And they do so under what is called a "mutual aid agreement."

The neighboring cities where I live have a similiar agreement depending on which direction of the freeway a car accident is on because response times are much sooner.

The key word here is "mutual."

I think the bottom line is a tax funded firedepartment is the best answer, but if the city chooses not to, the citizens get both the cost savings and risks associated with it.

 

From what I've read/gathered, he had paid the fee in the past, but forgot to do so this time, which sounds believable. Usually if you're signed up to a service you get sent a reminder over outstanding bills, not just cut off straight away (at least over here).

Either way, turning up and not putting it out is ridiculous. The relative cost of letting it burn is *much* higher than it would be to put it out, and they could have charged the guy pretty much whatever they liked, and made a tidy profit out of it.

 

Wow, 9 pages of posts in 5 days. This has been a really inflammatory thread.

Rather than join in on the oft repeated arguments, I tend to agree with BBad's take on all this.

As for the firemen's liability - if they had been injured on an unauthorized outing, they would not be covered by their Workers' Comp insurance. Believe me the big insurance companies would not pay out of humanitarian reasons, if it ain't in their contract tuf luck and sometimes when it is in their contract they fight it. (When I broke my leg at work, if it had happened anywhere else my health insurance co-pays of $30 & $40 dollars each visit would have run in the thousands over the two years of treatment. Luckily it happened at work and the comp insurance covered everything.)

It is nice to have socialistic ideations when it comes to "doing the right thing" but we live in a capitalistic reality that will not supoort that. So, the firemen did as they were required under contractual obligations at work.

Sorry, that is the way it is, not the way we would wish it.

 

I would have been become a volunteer firefighter if my health hadn't given way. I did two days of classroom training but when the physical training started, my back and knees gave out. So I think I know what I'm talking about. A two storey house with no surrounding structures - the only thing those firefighters would have had to been concerned about were propane tanks and ammunition. The owner of the house was there to inform them of any possible hazards. I rest my case.


PAX

 

if any firefighters had been hurt perhaps a grateful homeowner - perhaps a grateful community - would have helped them out

who knows . . .

 

I hate repeating myself but if you value money more than a person's well being----good on ya!!!!!

PAX

 

2 days of training...well!...i had no idea you had such extensive background....that definitely qualifies you as an expert....and in the class room...wow...did you practice putting out one of those novelty burning school houses out with tiny hoses?

.....honestly pax..do you even read the shit before you post it?

 

:banghead: no I'm not going to , I'm just going to walk away whistling to myself .

PAX

 

This is what happens when dipshits get matches, They burn the house down. I feel bad for the pets, hope dumbass had insurance, but seriously, pay your fucking bills.

 

my friends rental home up in the bush near South River caught fire..he had a team of sled dogs that he saved plus a couple personal items but we[i was there]then had to stand there and watch 2 water and retardant dropping airplanes made pass after pass dropping retardant on the surrounding bush but legally unable to do a direct drop on the house.....insurance reasons....

 

I'm a fulltime firefighter in a major metropolitan area, so I don't have any experience with how these rural communites operate, but this much I can tell you. That guys house was burning to the ground regardless of whether they responded or not. A few reasons why...#1. Rural communities RARELY have fire hydrants to tap into. #2. They usually respond with just a couple pieces of apparatus. Even if they arrived with a couple pumpers, a tanker or two, and maybe a ladder truck, they still don't arrive with nearly enough water to battle a house fire. They can use what they brought, but then they need to seek out the nearest water source, e.g; a lake a pond, a river, and tap into that. All that takes time. Lots of time. #3. Speaking of time, these rural communites are usually quite large in area, and spread out. The time it would take them just to get to this guys house is probably 10 minutes or longer. The fire would have a major headstart by the time they showed up and got water flowing on the fire.

The homeowner would have had a small amount of time to get his pets out before things became unsafe and dangerous. The dogs would have perished by the time the Fire Dept got to them, and like it or not, firefighters are in the business of putting their lives on the line to save people, not animals. That said, if we enter a building and come across animals, we will get them out.

In closing, if you live in a rural community, regardless of whether you have fire coverage or not, you really need to use EXTRA caution when it comes to burning, etc around your house. It's common sense. This guy (and his son) didn't have too much of it, and because of that, they lost their home, and their dogs lost their lives.

 

Yes its quite sad he didnt (or someone) save them!!

 

no one's house should ever be allowed to burn down, for any reason. money should never be an issue. clearly some other way ought tobe come up with sothat something this pathetic does not ever happen again. diggy

 

so messed up. All these firefighters should be ashamed of themselves and should be fired. Is this what our children have to look up to? sickens me. Firefighters are supposed to be heroes, not cowards.

 

The story is sad but it isn't new, there is actually a long history of it in this country. As one poster stated earlier house's would have a plaque attached to the front of the house alerting the fire department if the house was covered or not, but that was a couple of hundred years ago. I was a volunteer a couple of decades ago and read about similar incidents in that same part of the country at that time.
I also know that had human life been at stack the fire would have been fought and the bills worked out later. I would hope that is still the case.

 

Why should the firefighters be ashamed and fired for doing their job?

No, they are not supposed to be heroes, they are trained and paid to do a job. Just because their job can get dangerous does not make them heroes or cowards.

They have families, too. Are they supposed to get fired for not following the rules and let their own families starve?




If you burn your house down and don't bother letting your animals out, you don't get to blame other people.