Ex FBI/CIA Agents Ready To Blow the cover on Bush 9/11 Story...

Brocktoon, did I ever mention Bush or Cheney? Who says they mean shit? Who says that politicians aren't just puppets?

 

Wow. so now you have even more people 'in on it'?

This conspiracy just keeps on trucking along and will soon include 10 thousand 'insiders'.

Hey.. were the 19 Hijackers paid to kill themselves by Cheney or what?

 

Your naivety to even acknowledge the possibility that so many here have presented shows your ignorance in full force. Besides, your messages seem like passionate emotionally charged rants.

 

So, you're saying that thousands of scientists/engineers from all over the globe had immediate hands on access to the WTC site? I was under the impression that many of them were merely working off of data collected and then dispersed by a select few. Perhaps I'm mistaken, maybe there were thousands of scientists/engineers right there.

 

I'll give you a tip, Brocktoon. The less passionate you are about a given something, the more clearly and rationally you can percieve and argue your position. Just a hint.

 

You were under the wrong impression.

There are Dozens of clear angles and versions of the collapses recorded on tape.
The Design of the Towers is available to anyone one the Planet as well as having been built by thousands of people.

Its not like this is some 'Secret Building construct'.

There is some reason to believe what?.. The Government installed secret beams causing it to fall that way?

 

Here is a tip for you:

The Conspiracy theory youre so 'passionate' about is so stupid and unlikely, that anyone with the slightest sense and basic knowledge of the facts can easily dismiss it.

No hinting about it.

 

Call it what you will. Id reather be that then brainwashed.

 

First of all....

1) Bush is a moron, yes. Anyone that is smarter than Bush knows that. Bush is also little more than a bad but convincing actor, whose only REAL job is to be put on display, to provide the image that we have one person who represents America and not the shadow government of PNAC neocons behind the scenes that really control what goes on.

2) The only structural engineers supporting the claim that the towers collapsed because of the planes hitting them are those that were hired by the government, or did not actually examine the debris. After all, it was carted away before any proper investigation could be conducted.

Bill Manning, editor-in-chief of Fire Engineering magazine, referred to the investigation run by the American Society of Civil Engineers "a half-baked farce." (http://www.public-action.com/911/firemen.html)

That is just one, among many, structural engineers who are not buying the government's explanation of why the towers fell.

Of course you know that steel softens at 1500F and melts at 1800F. Jet fuel does not burn that hot. But besides, most of the jet fuel was burned off in the initial collisions with the buildings. You saw the massive fireballs, right?

Before 9/11, a steel-structured building had NEVER collapsed from fire alone.

And how do you explain the collapse of WTC-7, which was located almost two blocks from the towers, and collapsed in a similar manner as the towers? WTC-7 wasn't even hit, but it collapsed anyway.

Of course later, the World Trade Center leaseholder, Larry Silverstein, admitted the building was "pulled" (ie: demolished). You can see his admission in the PBS documentary America Rebuilds. The clip from the video can also be viewed on Alex Jones' Prison Planet website.

But aside from that, how do you explain these questions regarding 9/11:

• A wide variety of standard defense mechanisms designed to prevent such an attack systematically failed on 9/11. Especially notable are the atypical failures which occurred simultaneously within the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), the National Military Command Center (NMCC), and the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), all charged with protecting US airspace.

• Interceptor jets were not scrambled for more than thirty minutes after it was obvious that four airliners had gone off course and were presumably hijacked. In the case of Flight 77, which reportedly slammed into the Pentagon, an hour and forty-five minutes elapsed with no interception.

• Missile batteries designed to protect Washington, DC, failed to stop the strike on the Pentagon, one of the world's most protected structures, and fighter jets on constant alert at Andrews Air Force Base just twelve miles away were never scrambled.

• By a "bizarre coincidence," two government homeland defense agencies (NORAD and the NRO) were practicing war games on the morning of 9/11. The games simulated responses to a scenario in which hijacked planes were crashed into buildings. This fact could explain the government's lack of rapid response to the real hijackings, yet this plausible alibi has never been brought to public attention. One also wonders: How did the hijackers know the time and date of these war games in order to time their attacks to coincide with them?

• Again -- Not one steel-framed high-rise building in history has collapsed solely due to fire. The free-fall speed collapse of the Trade Center towers, with attendant melted steel and powdery dust, exhibited all the characteristics of a controlled demolition.

• Vital evidence, including the buildings' structural steel, was destroyed through rapid removal and destruction by US government officials with no investigation. This is only one of the many reasons why Fire Engineering magazine called the official investigation "a half-baked farce."

• An eight-mile-long debris trail indicated that Flight 93 was destroyed in the air rather than in the Pennsylvania crash reportedly caused by an onboard struggle between the hijackers and passengers.

• More than a dozen countries firmly warned US authorities that an attack on American soil was imminent, some only days before the events.

• Strong evidence points to complicity in the attacks by senior intelligence operatives from Israel and Pakistan who are closely aligned with American intelligence agencies.

• A classified Congressional report incriminates senior officials in the Saudi Arabian government, showing that they had close ties to the hijackers. The Saudis enjoy long-term business and social ties to the Bush family and close political ties to the US government.

• The US government expedited the swift departure of over 100 Saudis from the country, even as the American public had been denied the right to fly. Two dozen members of bin Laden's own family, presumably potential witnesses, were allowed to leave the country without interrogation.

• Insiders with foreknowledge of the events to come engaged in massive and highly profitable short-selling of shares in American Airlines and United Airlines, as well as other stocks readily affected by the disaster. The public has still not been presented with the final results of official investigations into these transactions-if there are any.

• A growing number of whistleblowers from within the federal government have pointed to evidence that various agencies were well aware of the possibility of attack, and were prevented by seniors officials from mounting full investigations.

• Far from being a mere reaction to 9/11, evidence now proves that the US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq were the culmination of long-standing plans which only awaited a provocation such as 9/11.

• The official explanations for the invasion of Iraq, such as the need to capture weapons of mass destruction, and to "bring democracy" to the country, have proven false.

• Within a few hours, the FBI released names and photos of the suspected hijackers although later many of those named turned up alive in the Middle East.

• Also within hours of the attacks, FBI agents were scouring the houses, restaurants, and flight schools they frequented. If no one had foreknowledge of the hijackers or their activities, how did they know where to look?

• Far from ordering a full and objective investigation to determine who was responsible for the 9/11 tragedies, the Bush administration dragged its feet and actually took actions to impede a swift and truthful probe into the events of that day. It was nearly two years after the events that mounting pressure from the public, led by families of 9/11 victims, finally forced the creation of an "independent" investigatory commission.

• No one in government has been reprimanded or even scolded for what we are told was the greatest intelligence and homeland-defense failure in US history. In fact, the very agencies which failed the nation watched their budgets increase dramatically, and some of the officials ostensibly at fault were actually promoted.

This is only a very small few of the unanswered questions surrounding 9/11.

 

Ok. I will call it Brainwashing.
Your 'Brainwashed'


Thats the REAL conspiracy twist - YOU the conspiracy theorists ARE THE ONES being tricked.

 

Brocktoon, I'm not passionate about it at all. I really don't give a shit. But I do know that our government has done some very evil things in the past, and only a naive twit wouldn't question it. But as for passion, I really don't care, I just find it funny that so many americans are so indoctrinated with what the corporate media tells them, that they are unwilling, even unable to question what they have been told.

 

I do happen to agree with most of what you said.

I have a unique perspective having been a controversial politic figure myself this last year.
What perception people will garner from the Media is usually a 'strained Portion' of the whole series of events and their context.

My options in this case are not limited to either believing anything 'as presented' by CNN and friends - OR - Accept the entire thing was the worlds most evil and expensive Hoax.

True.. there are some unanswered questions regarding the 'Pentagon Plane' (questions which should have answers)
and the Media coverage of 9/11 was poorly done.

However.. I do not 'therefore' conclude that Dick Cheney deliberately murdered thousands of Americans so.. lol.. he could be worth 400 Million instead of 300 Million.

Come on!

 

Well, I agree, but like I said, I never said Dick Cheney. And you were a controversial political figure? I'd like to hear more about that. Tell us more. ('us' as in everyone on the forums)

 

Local Politics.
Even though it was on a Municipal Level.. you could experience a 'Microcosm' of what Federal Politicians go through and how a National Media works.

Its true though.. The Media will Definately 'Skew' things towards a 'Story' they want presented.
Especially by the questions they choose to ask, in what order they ask them and which answers they choose to follow up on.

The Newspaper was constantly mis-quoting myself and other candidates, as well as omitting certain candidates from reporting.

Further more.. the Media people are not nearly as 'Talented' as we like to think. You or I (or anyone else) could just as easily be filling most of their seats.
For some bizarro reason - People tend to assume that because some actor is sitting behind a desk - he 'must be' very important and somehow 'Smart'.

Once you live through that - you can NEVER read a Newspaper or watch a News Report with that same sense of 'Belief' you once had.
You KNOW your only seeing a 'Sample' of what happened and even then just one 'Portion' or 'Angle'.

 

Interesting Brocktoon, that you don't have any valid argument against the evidence pressed rat provided...

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

I dont know why you find it 'interesting' when wildly speculative, open-ended or intensely specific questions are not 'Answered'.

In other cases they are not even questions - they are simply coincidences followed by a "Why?"

So there is no 'Valid Argument against' things which are NOT arguments or even evidence.

In fact,,, I can read those again but at first glance there were a number of errors and unfounded assertions too!

So really.. I cant imagine what you find 'interesting'?

 

Take a look at how the federal government and it's intelligence agencies benefit, and compare it to how some group of afghani/saudi terrorists in a cave benefit, that should be enough....

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Real Fast .. gotta fly to work in a few mins...

 

Brocktoon, your arguments were completely unvalid...

"There are thousands of highly trained, Academy Award winning Actors who would love to 'Catch' Bush 'Acting'.

So far, not one of them has spotted Bush using 'Acting Techniques'.

There are also thousands of highly trained 'CSI' type psychologists and investigators trained to spot 'acting' - So far I dont see any coming forward with evidence Bush only 'Appears' upset ... but really is satisfied with the deaths."

I am sure any professional actor is too self absored and wrapped up in their own career to question if bush is covering up something, unless of course they do it for their own publicity, and personally, with that slick, snaky smile he has whenever he has a speech, that seems to me like his lying smile, he is not a very good liar, but that is just my opinion...Second of all, how are we supposed to know how they would re-act if they were asked aboutforeknowledge? No journalist for the corporately controlled media will ever ask any of them that question, and after the rarity of just fore-knowledge being acknowledged by a journalist, Bush's reaction is not a clear "No, we did not have any fore-knowledge, and as our nations leader, I will never let my guard down" no, he stutters and says "uh...it's a time for politics...it's...a time for politics..........it's an absurd insinuation..." to me, that sounds guilty, to you it doesn't, argument over...

"What you just said was: ALL the engineers who investigated the Debris are concluding nothing 'Fishy' appears to have happened.

There are also thousands of hours of footage of the Debris and its removal.
It happened in a VERY public place.

Wow.. engineers who DID NOT examine the debris are NOT able to NOT say what they concluded. Wow"

You forgoet to mention the fact that the Debris was rid of quickly as possible so that no investigation with the debris could be made, if the US government has nothing to hide, and the story is 19 hijackers who hate americs freedoms hijacked plans from AA and UA and crashed them into the WTC and pentagon, than why didn't they let the debris stay so it could be properly investigated? same with the oklahoma city building, which was buried and was sorrounded by wackenhut guards? what is there to hide? It is crazy that engineers were not able to see and study the debris and were not able to say what they wanted....that is their job.

"Thats One guy.. but sloppy work (in his opinion) does not 'therefore' mean soemthing was 'Covered up'.

In fact... something being done 'Half Baked' does NOT fit in with an ingenius carefully crafted deception.

If anything.. everything would have been done 'too perfectly'

Ok, then forget any of my opinion about 9/11 being covered up, just the fact that 3,000+ people died on that day means that ther is no room for a sloppy investigation, the FBI said this was THE biggest investigation in US history, and there were thousands of FBI agents assigned to this case, and then they are going to go ahead, using taxpayers money and run some investigation, which an editor-in-chief of a fire fighters magazine called sloppy. A "Half Baked" investigation would be the key to cover up an "ingeniusly carefully crafted deception" by the federal government. If it has been done perfectly, it would have revealed planes could not have brought those towers down alone and that the pentagon was not struck by a boeing...

"No. There are not 'Many'.
There are a small handful of people simple 'Questioning' it."

Prove it, I have yet to see a reliable structural engineer that doesn't atleast have a few skeptisisms about this investigation.

"The vast majority of independant Scientists do not seem to agree."

Again, sight your sources...I havn't seen a majority anywhere who agree with how this investigation was done, if they believe a cover up or not...

"This is a completely meaningless statement.
Towers like that were never hit by these kinds of planes before."

Yes, But all these scientists and structural engineers you say all agree with the investigation, are the onles coming out and saying there is NO WAY planes could have brought these buildings down, now who do you think knows more about this stuff, you or a structural engineer?

"What are you saying?

Bombs were placed inside WTC 7?"

Yes, he is saying that, and possibly in the other WTC buildings...

"So we know it was Pulled down and this is public knowledge.
There is your answer.

This is not 'Evidence' by simply asking open-ended questions or ending a statement with:

Hmmmmm???

Its definately NOT indicating a conspiracy (in itself)."

Yes, so we now realize the WTC7 was demolished...so it makes you question the other two towers...if this building has bombs in it why not the others? ANd if there were bombs, this proves a conspiracy...

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

First it was thousands of scientists/engineers. Now it's thousands of actors and psychologists who have all analyzed bush and conclusively decided that he is not acting but a well rounded earnest individual.

It's a given that any President is an actor. Any public figure must engage in some acting. You yourself said you spent some time in politics.

"A professor of clinical psychiatry at George Washington University Medical Center, Frank uses applied psychoanalysis— the technique of analyzing public and historical figures pioneered by Freud— to construct a psychological portrait of the president. Drawn by the "inconsistencies and denials" of Bush's behavior— coping mechanisms Frank also has observed in his patients— Frank notes that these behaviors, in the case of the president, "not only reflect conflicts within his character (but can) also cause serious problems that can have a severe impact on his leadership— and on the quality of our lives."


The book's not hard to find, neither is the trail because there's more. There are also some other disturbing things like the documentary " The Jesus Factor" done by Frontline. Watch it sometime.

The original post;however, I don't think was calling into question how the towers fell but what led to them being attacked and who knew about it, who was actually part and parcel to allowing it to happen. The information presented is disturbing and deserves an earnest look without blind idealism.