Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

I'm going to work for one, if I think it's all bullshit, isn't that more of a reason not give my info out? I don't give out info to telemarketers either you know.

I wasn't giving you shit about revealing personal info that I recall, I was giving you shit about not explaining what magick is and it's practical applications in the objective world.

 

Well I guarantee that I could tell you some things about yourself if you posted your chart.

 

Must look into my chart at some point.

 

so I need to explain it to you
my Leo rising I am seen as ferociously proud and somewhat vain I am naturally impressive in awhile since seen as some kind of special person I am NOT timid weak or self effacing I find myself rarely content to be in a subordinate position.
I am a natural leader I must have something of my own something creative buta business project the home or whatever that I can manage and develop in a creative manner according to my own will and vision
I have a strong sense of dignity and self-respect and personal honor and AM deeply offended if someone treats you and a humiliating or dishonrable way. I dislike pettiness. I admire other individuals were strong like me. I always have my best foot forward if I be the best that I am the rest of the world will take care of itself

 

Nephila:

Sun - Cancer ...home, family and security play some role of importance in your life

Moon and Mercury in Leo ...points to a need to be the center of attention both in a private way and also in a verbal way

Venus in Cancer ...your love life is very wrapped around home, family, security

Mars in Taurus ...your initiative and drive to do things is conventional, straightforward and practical. The physical work is what matters.

I can't tell what the Jupiter sign is...the yellow is too bright for me

Saturn in Aquarius...Aquarius is very humanitarian. Saturn usually represents a challenge in your life. Aquarius has a bit of a big ego kind of like Leo.

Uranus in Capricorn...that's what I have and it is a generational placement. Basically points to reforming society. Uranus is all about independence, freedom, and also eccentric methods to perhaps go about things. Capricorn is sort of the exact opposite...it's very conservative and a slow mountain climber and most importantly it's very GOAL-oriented. As soon as a goal is reached, Capricorn is ready to make a new goal as soon as the last has been achieved. This generationally represents reforming society via unconventional means.

I don't know enough about Neptune yet

Pluto in Scorpio...another generational placement that I also share. Very intense placement in general. Pluto is calculative, very slow moving, points towards destruction, rebirth, nuclear annihilation, etc. Scorpio is dark and looks underneath the surface. Pluto in Scorpio looks deep beneath the surface of society to uncover things. A great detective. A fixed, slow moving, and determined sign.

Your rising Taurus shows that how you present yourself to the world can be rather stubborn and resistant to change at times. Also slow-moving and materialistic.

I don't know enough about the Midheaven yet other than it's usually about your destiny or what your life map is.

 

yup, the dope, natural leader is definitely Leo. Robert Plant, for example...classic Leo persona

 

Ok your Jupiter is in Virgo, Nephila. Jupiter is expansiveness and Virgo is very detail-oriented. Interesting combo. Not sure what to say about it.

The next thing to look at is the House position of your placements. Then it starts getting a lot more detailed.

Bear in mind I'm not a very good Astrologer at this point but I know a little bit.

 

missing a lot of information there. we're all those triangles intersect in the center of the zodiac they're there form trines and squares and conjunctions

 

I agree with you, but a lot of what we currently require from that era has been saved, not forgotten.

Let me give you a few more examples of ancient studies:

The doctrine of humors is one. Have you heard of this? The four humors, yellow bile, black bile, phlegm and blood. This was a seriously prevalent medical practice/belief for hundreds of years. And sure as hell it produced advances in the medical field, you can't doubt that. But I don't need to go back to learning about the four humors to continue learning about relevant aspects of medicine.

Or how about many of the ancient wing suit devices/planes/flying devices that never worked. They helped us get to where we are. But that doesn't mean we need to understand all the different possible flying machines ever designed to be able to build a plane.


I totally get where you are coming from, and I agree that it is important to know your history and how we got to where we are. But it doesn't mean we need to bring back ancient ways. And I will even go so far as to say there probably are certain strings of astrology/alchemy etc. that would lead to new ways of thinking about the universe. Hell, maybe it's all there, hidden in an ancient book, written down by some practitioner of magick. However if time is not linear and repeats itself, you have nothing to be worried about anyway.


On a side note about astrological readings - part of the reason I find them difficult to believe is that aspects of personality and emotion can be found in everyone. We have all played the agressor, the one looking for love, the one hoping to make money, the one who is calm, the one who perseveres etc. So to some degree I think you can fulfill your own hopes if you look for them.

You might be interested in looking into studies about bacteria in the body, chinacat. I think it will be one of the big scientific adventures in some years to come. Recent studies suggest that bacteria may play a massive role in influencing our mood and actions.

 

I never once said that "anything metaphysical" is bullshit, and I have never once insisted that material reality is the only reality. I will attribute this to your trouble focusing and not to a conscious desire to insult me or twist my words.

I am heavily steeped in metaphysics as a person and my conception of reality is far greater than just the physical. Remember just a few posts back I said that one of the deepest truths I have known is that everything is metaphor? You read that comment, because you quoted it and replied to it. So please be aware of your own drives to box people and things into certain categories. We are all guilty of it at times. I am an incredibly spiritual person.

Statements and sentiments of "grow up" have been expressed by multiple people in this thread alone. It is also a common phrase to use in debates and in general discussions. Friends may say it to each other, and it is certainly absolutely ubiquitous with parents to their children. When a statement is this vague, it applies to everyone and therefore is relevant to no one. This is one of the central criticisms of astrology; its claims and predictions are too sweeping and general.

I have an "intense underlying need to show you the way things really are" in exactly the same capacity that you do, for me. You do see that right? That is why we are having this conversation. I did not start two threads on this topic. You did. If we were to compare, objectively, who appears to have the greater need to teach or express how things are, I'm pretty sure you would win over me. But this means nothing Chinacat. Everybody has a desire to express what they feel are truths. Whether it's an online debate, an artist painting, a musician mixing a track, or a teacher teaching.

Here is what I believe you are asking for:

http://astro.cafeastrology.com/cgi-bin/graphic/daisy14?dformat=2&date=1985/5/15&time=12.0&lat=52.14&long=-21.00&adjust=-2.00&lang=en&x=750&y=562

 

https://cosmosaic.bandcamp.com/

I wouldn't call this the final product but here's a rough cut of my new solo music

 

you know I looked in good faith and it said pay $1 I don't want your trashy music already paid my dues

 

Hahaha.... It was $7 when I first looked.

 

you don't have to pay to listen to it

 

Did you play all the parts? I don't want to offer too much criticism but you might want to try playing to a click track, there's some very noticeable tempo probs, and watch your levels, digital clipping is a bummer... and put that voice out front! it's buried too far back in the mix.
Read up on some basic production and recording techniques and keep at it mang! (-:

 

In much the same way, studying a single organ doesn't give an accurate sense of the person it belongs to. You do have to take them as a whole and consider the effects of the combinations and such.. which does make it a very ambiguous, but that's where integrity steps in.. the ability to go "ok, where am I actually bullshitting myself to get out easy". I completely get the scepticism though, but I would recommend actually picking apart your natal chart.. takes a while and you'll never be able to be as precise as science enables us to(which is relative in any case and dependent on technology), but it can be very revealing.


And Cat, you did mention you weren't the best at reading charts but for the amount you sized things up you didn't really follow through as well as I was expecting. Super vague with what I see as a very superficial understanding of sign traits.

 

Isn't that what the table is for? I think they just cleaned the chart up.

 

let me present my own chart tomorrow it will be much more thorough.

The audio track is just a very rough mix. Not the final product by any means. And meant to be experimental, and I purposefully left in the off-beat moments.

Yeah I did all the parts myself. And very new to producing or mixing anything but I'm also going for a certain experimental vibe overall with my solo shit.