Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

You don't understand Timelessness apparently.

Post-2012 is about rekindling lost and forgotten about and BURNED knowledge in order to HELP our present to achieve our future. Our planet doesn't HAVE a future if we don't bring back lost wisdom. Just because we're great with technology today doesn't mean that we are very WISE about how we use it.

 

What does it matter to you anyhow whether I use lost ancient knowledge or not? Why are you trying to boss me around, telling me what I should and shouldn't be using?

You can potentially call anything that you want. You could call the ultimate reality Coca-Cola, and it wouldn't matter. The surface words of language aren't nearly as important as the meaning behind the words.

You also fail to understand that Alchemical language was PURPOSEFULLY used in cryptic language due to the oppression from the Church and Science charging in. It was a threat to the government and the church for different but codependent reasons. It was meant to sound like jibberish, because it was a code. It doesn't matter what the surface words are of language. Only the understanding of the language. Kind of like thedopes' posts.

 

There is no bossing around, we are discussing. You yourself created this entire family of threads in which to pit idea against idea. Please stop the pettiness chinacat. You showed a glimmer of maturity a few posts ago and now it's back to defensiveness and no critical thinking.

It also matters to me personally as a human being because I want what I think is best for you, and I think going deeper and deeper into certain directions will actually, if not hurt you, then at least make your progress stale.

Tell me, how can you learn knowledge that has been burned and lost?

 

Oh so you're trying to HELP me now? Sounds kind of like a Christian Missionary...sure of what's best for others and that they're the ones who see things the true way. Too dogmatic for me, brah. Enough of your Science Dogma.

Most of it was burned and lost. Not all of it.

 

Ok. I'm sorry for presuming. As you were.

 

I'm not sure how you arrive at the conclusion that referring back to failed ancient civilizations which did not possess our technology, is going to help us become more wise about our technology and ensure our future.

I know as a talking point, some people in the US get this Rome-complex, where they view all the scourges of our modern day, as apparently bearing resembalance to Rome before it fell. You seem to have a similar type of paranoia of impending societal collapse ChinaCat.

I'm not sure that type of paranoia or worry has the same impact over an international forum such as this. In this thread alone, we have citizens going the range of North America participating practically daily.

While there may not be much of a discrepancy in that example, I mention that in hopes to try to get your wheels spinning that it's possible if we got some people from countries who are developing and just started embracing technology, they could be so much as offended by some of your arguments of resorting to archaic lifestyles.

Furthermore, I'm no expert on ancient Egypt or Mayan culture but having seen the illteracy rate of Ancient Egypt, which if I recall was something absurd like over 90%, are you sure that miniscule portion of the society doing all the cultural history is worth ascribing to?

 

the one constant in all of existence is that of impermanence. Our civilization won't somehow survive forever unlike ones in the past. Every civilization thinks that they will last forever. Egypt lasted FAR longer than we currently have, but it eventually did end, as all things do. We will be no different. So not sure how you can call the past civilizations a "failure". Whether they used slaves or not, they were smart enough to know how to build pyramids that also functioned as very accurate calendars and they did it without modern technology.

 

http://www.cnet.com/news/ancient-indian-aircraftspaceship-on-agenda-of-major-science-conference/

another example of a countermovement happening within Science and a dogmatic reaction from the Orthodoxy.

"That's pseudo-science, therefore we refuse to study the theory, even though we call ourselves Scientists"

 

You should move to India brah...

 

that's his interpretation. Like I said there's a countermovement and a reaction from Orthodoxy.

As I said, "That's pseudo-science, therefore we refuse to study or accept the attempt to study an ancient astronaut theory, even though we call ourselves Scientists"

 

I would totally be down to live in India and it's definitely on my list of places to visit

 

Scientists don't study pseudo-science, they study science. So it makes perfect sense for a scientist to say "that's not science, so I'm not studying it". Your argument is not well thought out again.

 

Once again, what does it matter how we got there?

Here, I'll give you another example:
Mendel is the founder of modern genetics. But I don't need to become an Augustinian Friar to learn about genetics and how they work.

I respect that much of our modern science originated with alchemy, astrology etc. But there's a reason we've dropped much of what was once practiced in favour of new ideas. Because the new models work better than our old ones. So you have a discrepancy with something we've forgotten?
I won't even tell you to learn math or anything of the sort. Just start reading up on Astronomy, and start getting in contact with scientists who study the off-shoots of astrology you think could be improved.

Btw, much of the ancient technology used for locating stars and positions has its basis in simple geometry and calculations, as well as watching the sky. Techniques which we still use..

I don't know about you, but I have not spoken to many a person who doesn't agree that humans will one day wipe themselves off the face of the Earth. Are you just projecting your perceptions about what "society" thinks onto yourself and your ideas?

 

But the people from India are TRYING to present it as something worth studying. If you simply refuse to study it because you label it as "pseudo-science", well then that's pure speculation on your part if you instantly just dismiss it without giving it a look. That's NOT what a true Scientist would do and that is totally dogmatic on their part.

 

I love Astronomy by the way. I own a pretty nice telescope from when I was like 10 that I saved up for. I'm not anti Astronomy in the slightest. I just happen to also not be ani Astrology. You guys are. I'm trying to actually approach it as its own Science, but you guys have a stigma against it that is deeply culturally engrained into you.

 

So then why call the Egyptians a failure? if you're certain that we will wipe ourselves out, then that automatically makes us a failure? Why are you calling past civilizations a failure when you also realize that we will all wipe ourselves out?

 

One cannot force something on someone that that someone does not want...no matter how you keep trying.....It does not work......

 

"Once again, what difference does it make how we got here?" Sit with this for a moment. It makes a HUGE difference! It has everything to do with where we currently are.

 

I'm not trying to force anything. Merely presenting my ideas and opinions.

 

not if it is not real....all of a sudden I want to vomit.