Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

Nobody here even understands that I stress about even getting involved with rituals. I have different people telling me to not get into it because it's dangerous and then you guys and others that I know are all like "it's all bullshit". What's the true truth of the matter? that's the question of the Occultist, or even a Scientist.

 

Wooo China!

(hug)


How about the question "why do I feel I need to find out about ritual in particular" or actually comprehending what people here are saying. I for one have not actually said it's bullshit, so somewhere along the lines you're still lumping anyone who disagrees with you into one box. If you're serious about your claims, go through and reread this thread. You have no idea how much raw funk of existence is in here, this is DEEP!!
I have to say some of it's a pain in the ass to wrap your head around, but there'll be some worth in it I guarantee.

 

you need to calm down and we will take care of your disorder which is not a disorder but a lack of ordered substance. That is why you compulse, you are trying to stay ordered in the absence of an ordered foundation. We are forming a group.

 

http://www.hipforums.com/forum/gallery/image/29906-stoned-ape-theory/

 

China, I have OCD as well. It used to be worse when I was younger but I have been able to resist the some of the compulsions as my mental faculties have matured. Still have a good amount of it however. This is a very common "disorder". I am also very wary of labeling these behaviors as "disorders", I think that the entire DSM and the mentality behind it comes from back when we thought we had made a mistake.

There are much better ways of looking at these things, and thankfully they are emerging in psychology. Actually behaviorism is a great, neutral one, that says basically "don't like a particular behavior you do? Here, try these behaviors instead". No judgement or labeling or division.

I have to say I have never heard of a 'christian psychological diagnosis center' and cringe a little at this. I imagine it's something like going to a scientology church for your depression and being treated with e-meters for your thetans.

Why didn't secular people diagnose you with anything? I don't know, I don't have enough information on the matter.

I will tell you some of my own history with the psychological community which caused me to exit the psychological community. Had great existential difficulties arise many years ago. Enough emotional turmoil that I had to drop out of university for 2 years and quit my job. My family doctor diagnosed me with depression and social anxiety, and prescribed me a VERY high dose of SSRIs and benzodiazepines. I bought it hook line and sinker and gobbled those up, only to gain weight, lose the ability to orgasm, and have more suicidal ideation (all side effects) without a single iota of my crisis being addressed.

I thought, "this is silly, I must need these medications as a foundation, but I must seek counseling". I booked an appointment with a psychologist, and in our first session together, I was greeted by a weak willed asian woman who spoke to me like a baby and essentially all her responses to what I said were mere shadows of what I could just be telling myself in my own head. I never went for a second session.

A while later I tried group therapy for "social anxiety". There I discovered 6 or 7 other people who were so disfunctional they could not go to the grocery store or live their lives at all. I was surprised that in this context I was kind of "normal" . . . I even developed a crush on one of the members, and tried to gently express it, which to me is a blatant slap in the face of the 'social anxiety' diagnosis. I left that group after a few sessions (it provided very basic cognitive behavioral homework).

A third psychologist had this conversation with me:

him: So, what are your diagnoses?

me: Social anxiety and maybe depression?

him: What are you prescribed?

me: blah blah 50mg and blah 1mg and blah 0.5mg as needed

him: What?! That's far too much!

*pulls out DSM-IV, copies down recommended dosages from psychologist manual, writes me a new prescription*

him: Here, I have lowered your dosages, let me know how that goes. Bye!

---

Being completely underwhelmed at the lack of talent I had encountered in the field, I stopped seeking professional help. I realized there were two problems; one is, there are bad psychologist/psychiatrists just like there are bad car mechanics and sales managers. Two, the current model of mental difficulties was extremely linear and closed minded; the DSM was terribly outdated in its mentality and focus on labeling.

Soon after I took myself cold turkey off my medications (dangerous) and never went back. I felt better right away, and empowered. *I* would be in command of my mental progression then. Never again would I submit to a young, daft person's teachings just because they were studious in the school of DSM and made it to a high paying job called "psychologist". i would learn for myself and change myself.

Since then, I have joined the field of social work. Surely absolutely impossible for someone who has 'social anxiety'.

Anyways that's my own experience so you know where I'm coming from.


I will tell you what I think about your less than 1% on short term memory. Discounting where this was tested, and the cannabis (which could be a huge factor), that to me would imply a form of mental wandering. This much is evident in your postings. I won't even whisper "ADHD" but you should know that in our generation and the next this is actually possibly the most common diagnosis out there. What will help you is to stay on a point like a laser beam until it is naked and understood.

I won't research your astrological details because it has been shown, exhaustively, that astrology is not a real thing. It makes *enough* statements and predictions that enough of them might feel right enough for you to make you think there is something to this astrology thing, but that is just confirmation bias. In truth, were you to catalogue all astrological statements and really sit down with them and work on the premise of "prove to me that you are a real, correct thing", you would be quickly disappointed.

Confirmation bias, also called myside bias, is the tendency to search for, remember, or interpret information in a way that confirms one's beliefs or hypotheses.[Note 1][1] It is a type of cognitive bias and a systematic error of inductive reasoning. People display this bias when they gather or recall information selectively, or when they interpret it in a biased way. The effect is stronger for emotionally charged issues and for deeply entrenched beliefs. People also tend to interpret ambiguous evidence as supporting their existing position.

 

chinacatsunflower is a
you see, in the family astrea

They are native to Asia and northeastern Europe. Most species originate from East Asia and the center of diversity is in China.
so we got to give him room

 

Well whether you agree or disagree with the existence of Astrology, everyone does actually have a chart. And it's very specific to each person. It's not just your sun sign. The Hermetic attitude towards astrology isn't so much to let it define your personality, but to USE the information to tap into the ARCHETYPES that are each Astrological sign as a means to empower yourself (you could also argue that this is the difference between exoteric and esoteric astrology). Your chart SYMBOLICALLY reveals to you certain characteristics about yourself. Whether there is or isn't Scientific actuality to any of it...I would just have to say that I would first like to see a Scientific study of it before anything else. I've never seen one. If you could show me some of these exhaustive attempts to see whether it's real or not by Scientists, then I would like to see it.

Aren't the Scientists perhaps professionally approaching it from a neutral place but PERSONALLY more than likely doubting its existence? Wouldn't that also be the confirmation bias? The confirmation that it's not real? And what exactly makes the confirmation bias not part of actuality in the first place? Whether you believe you can or can't do something, I won't say it 100 percent defines it but I think anyone would agree that it plays a large role in whether you do or don't do something.

Even if I consciously did a confirmation bias on astrology charts, who's to say that I'm not actually learning stuff about myself? For example, if I invented some sort of game, and act as if that the game is real, this can be any game at all, what exactly is the difference between the game being real and not being real? I am consciously confirming that it's real. Therefore it is. Perhaps this is the difference between the Mage and Scientist (not that they can't be co-existing or co-dependent...that's what I've been pushing for): that Science tries to find meaning through deductive processes of trial and error. Or perhaps there is no real meaning, but they're still searching for causes and effects that are "just so" via the laws of the Universe. On the other hand, the Mage as a creative being of the Cosmos tries to CREATE meaning out of his own Will, and from the meaning that is created, tries to direct his will towards manifestation via the very same laws of the Universe, also through trial and error.

When I say "via the laws of the Universe" in regards to Magick, I mean that he tries to create his own manifestations through whatever is potentially possible to happen by the laws of Nature. He tries to HARNESS the laws of nature as he understands that he himself is composed of the laws of nature, which leads to a CREATIVE (but also disciplined) relationship with the laws of Nature. He also recognizes that the Universe is Infinite, and he is open to all possibilities of potentiality.

An astrology chart is just the raw data of the placements of the planets at the moment of your birth. It's up to me to decide that it's not real, decide it is real and be a victim to it, or USE it to my advantage, and let it reflect back to me different archetypes and different ways of learning about myself. What's the actual difference in REALITY between approaching something creatively or Scientifically? I feel that you can approach Astrology both ways, and combine them, but I can't say that one necessarily has more reality than the other. As Einstein said, the Mysterious is the true home of all Art and Science.

Also, we already know that the moon has an effect on us depending on its placement. So why not the planets?

And I know I jump all around with my concepts. It's a very Sagittarius archetype. My Sun and Mercury (which represents communication) are Sagittarius. Whether it's a confirmation bias or not, it IS a feature of the Sagittarius archetype to be very internally and externally wandering. Where do these archetypes come from? Why is each sign the way that it is? And where did they originate? That's what I'm sure you're asking and I'm also still trying to understand. We do know, however, that it goes all the way back to Ancient Egypt at the very least, and perhaps even further back (Atlantis). Alchemists tend to have this vibe that the older the knowledge, the more real and original that it is. Chemistry tends to look forward into the future. Whether Alchemists are correct or not, I think that we can all agree that MOST people would say that they're not. I just happen to not be one of them.

We may know the roots of all of this and have a much clearer picture if Alexandria Library hadn't been burned.

 

I would agree the Christian evaluation center was complete bullshit. I overall agree with your sentiments regarding Psychology. I did like one guy in the past. I do think that the field itself could be a lot better than it is. I love Psychology, but have also not necessarily been impressed with modern psychologists.

 

Yeah I also need to go back and reread a lot of thedope's posts as I honestly just can't even comprehend them most of the time so I started just scanning them and not reading them very thoroughly.

I also am starting to understand and see that I shouldn't get pissed if people disagree with me as it was in fact me who started all these threads (well I guess not this one). Obviously I was looking for some sort of challenge right off the bat. Well, not necessarily right away with the 2012 forum. But then it quickly evolved for me as a "me vs. them" mentality. Something about me enjoys philosophically duking it out I guess.

 

I would also argue that in one way or another that ritual is encoded into us. I don't know enough about DNA to say that it's encoded into our DNA, but it's about as ancient of a practice as you can get and it's specifically a human function. Music is just as ingrained into us as ritual, and they go hand in hand, as Jim Morrison (and Page) understood. Perhaps both of those things could be traced back to the Stoned Ape Theory. I also feel that maybe mushrooms have E.T. origins. I know McKenna mentioned that before as well. Obviously, it's hard to prove or disprove any of that right now.

 

interesting article...curious as to what others' opinions are on this. http://www.inquisitr.com/1712601/ufo-and-alien-egyptian-artifacts-discovered-in-jerusalem-kept-secret-by-rockefeller-museum/

 

the dome has been inverted to become a boat and this is the motif of the mayan cosmology
The dome is now our domain. You are safe as long as you don't jump ship.

 

that is quite the riddle^...let me reread yours and others' posts thedope

 

Live your life as ritual, everything you do is prayer... Then you will understand.

 

Now Thoma sone of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”
But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFrDpx7zLtA

 

here's the part where we are supposed to say, is that strong enough for you ass holes
any who woody pecker here whad up doc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X7b2E_Jq-k

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBvGZP4srZA

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxzpKf7f990

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaoXAwl9kw

 

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