Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

It is not clear you should be arguing

 

I think you missed the point.. the article states that magick uses scientific methods. And then he goes on to describe the ways to apply the modern scientific method to your magickal practices. So.. the scientific method was used by the people who practiced magick. Magick USES scientific methods. The scientific method and the scientific community do not use magick. At least not all of them do. That's entirely up to the person performing the experiments, and it goes back to my original argument - why do I need to use magick? I don't study weather when I want to become a pharmacologist. So why should I be studying magick if I don't have any interest in it? I can STILL do scientific experiments without involving magick.


As for your paragraph about WW3 and dinosaurs, well.. there's a chance humanity would have wiped themselves out eventually with sticks and stones if that was all that was available to them. Not to mention that over the last hundred years or so we've seen a huge increase in life-span. Without many of the advancements we've made, one hell of a lot of people on this earth would not be alive. And, very likely, a few hundred years ago you would have spent much of your time providing food for yourself while a spiritual priest told you what to think about the afterlife and deities. So, in some ways, the fact that you are sitting here and pondering philosophical notions about science is a gift from scientific advances.

Btw, think back on the early neanderthals who learned how to make tools out of stone.. they figured out which types of rock worked, which shapes killed best.. and I can guarantee you they were not thinking about magick or alchemy.

The earth being hit by a comet is not science in itself. Science in this case would be looking out into space and figuring out the trajectory of other asteroids/cosmic bodies that may strike us. So.. sure, it may have been the will of God that the asteroid/comet was put in such an orbit as to hit us.. but that comet was still brought here by gravity and a number of different physical interactions on the way here. So maybe God set the universe up to work that way (and I've mentioned this point before, but you still don't seem to get it), but so what? God still set up a universe that we CAN analyze according to the physical rules.

You know, Einstein never liked Quantum Physics because, as he said, "God does not play dice with the universe". Well, according to what we've observed, God does. Once again, science isn't about liking what you see. It's about being shown how things work.


Edit: I'll watch your alchemy video with Terrence McKenna later, and I'll get back to you on that. But I still don't think it can convince me that such a philosophical approach is required for everyone.

 

I've never even once said that everyone should embrace any of what I have been talking about. I have simply stated that these things will return as part of evolution. Science will legitimize the study of Kundalini, and a Counterculture will also embrace it. Sort of like LSD, which was involved with both scientists and countercultural people.

Never have I said anything about how I would be here had Science not existed.

And actually, the Scientific Method is derived from Alchemy and Magick. Somehow you didn't read the part that says that the Scientific Method is derived from medieval Alchemy.

Why are you talking about the Neanderthals and yet overlooking all of Ancient history from Ancient Egypt all the way up until the 1600s when Alchemy, Magick, and Astrology were dominant? That's a large chunk of history that you're overlooking.

 

When you come out of the forest monkey brain.

 

Now that my hypotheses has been clearly made, I don't want to hear anything more about how I'm not being clear.

The most important part of my hypotheses is the fact that I see Science discovering Kundalini in this post-2012 era as this will link Science, Spirituality, and Religion all together. When exactly this will happen is hard to say, but I see it happening sooner than we think.

This new countermovement within Science is already the first flowerings of the eventual and inevitable Scientific discovery and validation of Kundalini.

Kundalini is more important than the other points because I personally see it as the master key to the counterculture, UFO's, the return of ancient pratices (magick, alchemy, shamanism etc.) and it will be the signature of the post-2012 Cycle.

I'm getting pretty tired of being dissed, mocked, etc. so I'm really trying to be done with this forum. Anything that is posted from now on will be in regards to Kundalini and the Scientific discovery of it. I'll just return when that discovery has happened. Goodbye.

 

What?

 

Did you not read the article you posted?

"One of the “dirty little secrets” that modern scientists don’t like to acknowledge is that the scientific method was originally developed by practitioners of magick!"

You see? He does not at any point say magick became the scientific method. But that the practitioners of magick utilized the scientific method, and according to what he is saying, first started applying an exact scientific method to magick. But, you see just because magick practitioners used the method, it doesn't mean that it inherently has anything to do with magick.

The Nazis conducted a lot of research with rockets and have partially paved the way to our understanding of rockets today. But that doesn't mean that we all need to become nazis to understand how a rocket works.


Also, if your argument now is that we need a spiritual transformation in society, then that has nothing to do with science. Overall, I would say we have problems in society. But knowing how an atomic bomb works does not mean that you will drop it on anyone. If that is your argument, I don't see why you are involving science.


And finally, I am mentioning neanderthals because they existed long before the Egyptian civilizations. Here:

"The first humans with proto-Neanderthal traits are believed to have existed in Eurasia as early as 350,000 - 600,000 years ago[8] with the first "true Neanderthals" appearing between 200,000 and 250,000 years ago."

"Egyptian civilization coalesced around 3150 BC"

So.. I don't know how your math figures on this point, but by my calculations the neanderthals were around LONG before the egyptians. And they utilized the same "scientific method" that we do, long before the egyptians.

 

Now you know why crowely is a bitch

 

Alright man, we'll see you in a few hours when your irritation with not being accepted on an online forum surfaces in your mind again.

You know, if you really didn't care what we said, you wouldn't have to tell us.

 

Someones bastard

 

I'm not very familiar with Crowley's work, but based on the people I've spoken to who've promoted his work, I won't be going near it anytime soon.

 

I have given my highest recommendation to you. Cannibis Scout, Knight of the Around the Table

 

This is the banquet and we are the guests enjoy

 

I read his book did his exercises. taught me to keep a hard on that's it

 

yes..the return of "alchemy"...just what science needs in this post-2012 era.

let's all meet up at China's house and transmute base metals to noble metals. we'll be fuckin rich!!

 

But he will still be dumb, we could give him a hug since he doesn't understand the english tickling

 

tokes and jokes

 

I'm not sure if that is a compliment or not, haha.

 

Are you afraid I will embarrass you same as chinacat. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. It is an honor to be with you.

 

Not at all! In fact, many of my most profound learning experiences have come with the side-dish of embarrassment. It's a surprisingly good way to remember what you were wrong about in the first place, haha.

'Tis an honour to be with everyone who has posted in this thread. It is a good one.