Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

You are conflating bridging the gap of science and spirituality with science addressing phenomena of spirituality. Science addressed how we experience poetry, not a bridging the gap where now every science paper has to begin with a sonnet.

Some aspects of spiritual practices have been addressed by science, meditation and prayer for example. However, there is subjectivity and ambiguity or unreliability in what you are expressing in magick, which does not seem like it would cater well to study in a controlled scientific enviornment.

 

Might be confusing, as they use the phrase 'bridging the gap' in the article itself. Perhaps you can understand the difference though.

 

No one has said that you cannot study magick and kundalini with science. Or at least I haven't. The problem here, to me, is that you are telling us all that magick and kundalini need to be applied to everyone's life in order for us to progress as a society.

Why? Start by answering that simple question. Have you not said that magick is simply the science of being able to focus your intentions? I don't have trouble focusing my intentions. Why do I need magick? Why should it improve my life and make me feel better just because it improves yours?

In the meantime you keep telling us that it isn't your fault that science doesn't study kundalini. You're no scientist. Well man, tough luck, but we all have to do things we don't like. I don't like math, but I study science and force myself to understand math because I have to. Because it gives me a certain legitimacy if I can explain the world in mathematical terms. And don't tell me that math doesn't equal reality. I know it doesn't. But it sure as hell is a useful way of looking at the world.


You know, at the end of the day dude, if magick makes you happy then I'm all for it. It's fantastic that you've found something you enjoy. But unless you are willing to put in work and prove to us that magick is a grand unifying experience that will progress our society as a whole, (using something other than old Jimmy Page interviews) I don't see how you can come off telling us that we all need it in our lives.

Like I said in your last thread, which you seem to have ignored, science isn't about being right or wrong. It's about sharing ideas, and being able to support your ideas. And so far the support for your ideas has been that some people consider it important, and therefore so should we all.

 

Can't really argue with that. I'm not really trying to spread it throughout the world or something but just feel that even more importantly than Magick that Kundalini does need to be studied as it is an ancient phenomena. Not on the premise that the whole world needs it but that it would be a very important link of divides that take place within people's paradigm of reality. In my opinion, we are only heading more and more towards singularity as a species, and the scientific study of Kundalini would tear down a lot of divides between the East and West, Science and Spirituality, etc. etc. It seems that it would be a solid evolutionary step for humanity.

Not saying that therefore everyone should know all about Magick and Kundalini or else, I'm more just promoting the idea that it be studied by Science as even that very first step would already break down a lot of divides, IMHO

 

If you are studying it it is being studied your complaint has nothing to back it up in fact. If you are studying it is is not an ancient phenomena it is a current one. Get your head out of the history books and taste your life. Probe deeply of every fiber of it. If you can't really argue, then don't. Common chinacat come be with your friends who are looking for the same source of shared being. you are acting like an outsider who has not been invited. Loose the antagonistic impression. You said science again. Going to wash your mouth out until you tell me what it means.

 

Wrong expectation to ask someone to provide answers he does not have. I am making the connections in his stead. As far as need, nothing is needed, it is available

 

thedope I suggest that you stop telling me what to do.

The only thing I have been doing is promoting ideas that are important to me via this forum. I have good reasons for not sharing my personal experiences. It's not worth it for me to post all of that on this forum. People are free to assume whatever they want about me but I will periodically continue to promote my ideas.

But perhaps I should find a new audience myself as I feel that this has run its course and is spent.

 

Are studies like Rhetoric, Composition, and various other "english classes" out there not a kind of science of poetry?

Science does not CLAIM to be able to study poetry, so it doesn't need to defend your accusation of it being weak because of this.

Poetry also does not make CLAIMS that are testable in reality. It is a form of art with words. Your description of Magick on the other hand, DOES make claims about reality. Therefore it is testable under a scientific theory. You however, are AVOIDING those tests, and even avoiding giving us a detailed account of YOUR tests.

Science does not claim to be all of reality; science is only a small part of reality, specifically, science is "the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment."

What exactly IS magick? The art and science of causing change to occur in conformity with will? Through what mechanisms? How do they work? What are some examples? What can be caused by Magick that cannot be caused without magick? Basic questions. Magick 101. You are failing to teach it, and your defenses for why are not good at all. So far nobody here thinks there is such a thing as "magick" to study, you have provided so little solid information.

 

Go away then this is not a selfish place. We discuss the things that are important to all of us. If that is not your intent unzip your pants and whack away were we can't see you. We all have our own dicks to diddle.

 

WE can't stall our progress buy trying to bring someone along who has no intention of keeping up. It is not fair to our affection.

 

Like I said I'm not going to give you my personal experiences. Maybe I should give you my address along with other personal information along with it. I'm simply promoting Magick, Kundalini, and the post-2012 Cycle. No amount of data that is posted here would matter. You already have your minds made up. I'm simply promoting my ideas, but I'm starting to see that I should look elsewhere because I don't see this going any further in a way that's constructive or useful anymore.

 

If you find no satisfaction here it behooves you to be satisfied where you can be.

 

That is the most comprehensive statement I have heard you make. Don't imagine that i haven't given you my best.Peace.

 

Good ideas are not to be promoted, that is called propagandizing, but shared by those who Practice them.

 

http://www.timewheel.net/Video-Terence-Mckenna-The-Alchemical-Dream

I will leave you all with that. Goodbye for real this time.

 

Thank you for your gift, magick speed to you

 

And this too, if you revisit

http://youtu.be/W1KPfycfCIQ

 

Justbreath101, on 22 Dec 2014 - 11:44 AM, said:

Yes He is explaining there is no death. /not that the dead are sleeping. What looks like death is the lack of a sense of self in the body. When the body dies the soul, thesense of self in the body dies.
Now behold what it is to go to sleep. You go to sleep and time passes. When you wake up, you cannot account for the time that has passed, except that you awakened in the body.This is what being born into the world is. You awaken in the body with no way of accounting for the time so you must learn the rhythm of life anew. Wise men take to themselves some of what is old and some of what is new, to enjoy the world.

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Now this will blow your mind in a very good way.

When you are interpreting what you are reading in the bible, you guys have been creating an abomination to god, to mate unlike threads. What are the threads, the threads of reason. Do not think I have come to abolish the law but to fulfill it. eashoa said that not one dot of the law would change until it is fulfilled. That means you must understand what was said. eashoa dismissed all kinds of convention that was previously regarded as the law of moses, not gods law at all. Those were enforcement statutes for the unruly. Those who had not come to know of their authority in life.

There is no sacrifice in laying the body to rest, don't be afraid of those that kill the body, it will cause you to make war on one another, rather fear a life of tormenting ignorance and you may live in peace.

 

This is sesame street shit out of the mouths of babes, two of these things belong together and one of them don't.
The child of god is the law.