Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

not trying to alter the thread direction, just attempting to illustrate a point using an idea/concept common to most in this discussion, that being psychedelic experience.

Attempting to find some common ground here as a reference point is all.
It seems to be working to some degree as you will notice that both your and GB's demeanor has changed in light of that question as opposed to if I brought up some other phenomena, such as speaking in tongues.

 

Your feathers I have never seen. The information is all encompassing and very specific. I am not questioning anyone's style and even if I did I couldn't get anyone to stop talking about it.

 

Good points, I am confident in the experience that what I perceived was autonomous entities, however I would not try to bring that experience over into objective reality in any manner as useful information for humans.

I had a friend who I trip sat on DMT once and he said admist the experience "I see angels" and then upon returing to reality I asked him "What were the angel's like?" and he then claimed that he didn't see them or was fairly sure that he didn't make the claim. I think this is an example how the mind can shield itself as well in order to operate most efficiently in consensual reality.

Looking at it from a certain view, one could argue that if everyone saw DMT entities, it would make the experience less fascinating. Not everyone sees dolphins on a daily basis either, that doesn't call into question their objective existence. The notion that not everyone experiences DMT entities perhaps may just suggest the expansiveness of the hyperspatial realm.

 

I've never spoken to an entity or even gotten close as far as I can tell form taking or ingesting psychedelics but I have in meditatively altered states.

 

so does that same benefit of doubt extend to religious experiences as well, or to only drug induced ones.

 

There is a suggestion that there is a mysterious other. As above so below. There isn't a mysterious other. What there is is a failed program of apprehension. We want to apprehend all things in our sphere of interest but we can't because our powers of distinction have been usurped by the fascination of pretty lights and the brutal attempted liberation through codification, stinking up the place with dead fish.

 

Benefit of what doubt? I'm pretty sure religion has far more benefits and influences than psychedelic using collectives. In fact, the only way some of the traditions involving psychedelic use are legally permitted are under Freedom of Religion.

 

you misunderstand
It seems from what you wrote that you are willing to reserve judgement to a degree concerning entities during wholly subjective experience drug experiences, yet do not reserve that judgement when it comes to wholly subjective religious experience.

could it be as I have been saying all along, because you do not have the religious experience in your repertoire, but do have psychedelic experience as part of it, therefore you are less judgmental concerning it, when in reality the opposite should be the case.
You should reserve judgement concerning those things you do NOT have direct experience/knowledge of, true?

 

Where have I stated that I do not reserve judgement on subjective religious experience?

 

i think it worth a discussion what our reservation is.

Why do you use the word doubt?

 

The difficulty in correctly apprehending is not errant beliefs, a belief affects nothing but the experience of the believer. The difficulty in apprehending is lack of recognition. In this instance unrecognized assumption. Why do you use the word doubt?

 

I guess no one has really reflected on it till now.

 

no deep reasons to be found.
simply because it is a common turn of phrase that the majority understand the intent without further explanation.
if you want to dissect it, be my guest, but that really is kinda Deja Vu and your's thing, I wouldn't want to encroach

 

Go back to your last sane thought

Friend that is because you haven't found your deepest reason.
Do not suggest to me that what I am offering is not valuable or without substance. In doing that you have only decided what you will not look at.

 

What is the purpose of knowledge?

 

nothing if the heart is involved as it should be

 

You understand that this is dawkins position.

 

Jeez bloodless zombie girl has arrived.

 

gee, they really need to bring back the silly tongue sticking out smilie.

 

Are you an unhappy learner? If so you don't know the purpose of knowledge.