Esoteric, (Hidden,) Knowledge

Well my only point is that Science will eventually bump into Spirituality if it truly isn't in and of itself stubborn and wants to keep expanding its understanding of the universe.

Kundalini, Magick, and Consciousness will all have to be integrated in this post-2012 Cycle in order to continue its evolution.

 

I never claimed to know that

 

it was to show that observations have enabled us to predict the prevailing winds to counter your statement it can't tell you where the wind blows. The reason you are not really enjoying your self is because you are in the same, irritating to you, space. I am having a great time experiencing all of you.

 

What makes you think I'm not enjoying this argument? This creation! "a monster of energy" in the words of Jim Morrison

I think you gotta stop trying to fix me thedope. Nobody thinks that I know what I'm doing which is the humorous part.

 

Not spirituality, honesty. What is needed is already accomplished, what you want might yet to be.

 

Because you keep claiming fault against you, i.e. you guys are not complying.

 

What are some of the forms unrecognized assumptions take so that we might recognize them

right of the bat always and never. You can say always when it is consistent with the axiomatic chain or consistent with premise and you can say never on the same account for example an apple is never an orange

Another form is that the other person is doing something that you aren't for example I'm not the arguing, you are.

Any more you can think of anybody?

 

I thought of another, that someone is lying. Why would they be lying in representing what they see?

 

Who the hell is jesus christ?

We may or may not need to get to other figures of the sage world but this explanation should suffice for all of them.

Jesus was a man, Christ is anointed authority. Put together you have a man anointed with authority.

What is it to be a man anointed with authority.

In the know.

How does jesus the christ save the world

He frees us with the truth. He quiets our complaint, our tirade of increasingly cosmic proportions

I desire mercy not sacrifice.

You need to understand the power you possess or you will wreck your playhouse for want of attention to where you shit.

 

If you know what you are doing how come you are just beginning to learn to use props? I think you are knowing but there is always more to learn. What you are doing in life is learning which as I pointed out is our purpose both to taste and to know.

 

What the hell is second coming, multiple orgasm

Don't believe it when they tell you look he is over there or over here.

Authority comes to you like the sky itself is splitting open and you see the world as it is created gloriously

 

People still consider the likes of Socrates (sentenced to death for introducing "False Gods and corrupting the youth"), Plato, Galileo (imprisoned for committing heresy against the Church) as some of the greatest minds that have ever lived.

Science has been written about since the Ancient Greeks (Socrates, Plato) at least. Their Science is in many ways more like philosophy, because a) they didn't have the technology we do today and b) academics and formal study was still in it's infancy, so they didn't yet possess really refined scientific methods. Plato, who succeeded Socrates was one of the first people to have full volumes of written work published.

What Galileo and others helped usher in during the scientific revolution, were novel, universally applicable methodologies and technologies, which allowed science to evolve in objective novel ways to observe and study the natural world.

 

So of the older technologies I would like to point you to the last few pages of the thread a good day for cuba by karen j. politics section.

This is what is meant by he stilled the tempest, commanding the howling wind and the roiling waters to be still.

 

What is resurrection of the body and the life everlasting,

simply to be born again into the cycle of regeneration.

What is it to be resurrected into your new incorruptible body

To become a human baby.

To die is not the disease of the body but of the mind.

 

What is a curse or a hex

well a curse isn't taking someones name in vain

someone cursed a fig tree.

The fig of the fig tree represents the fruit of your life and it is simply to curse the fig tree is to cut out forever the diet that doesn't support it.

Once thing you eat that doesn't support you is your expression of negative emotions. in those moments you are despicable that is to denigrate with speech

What is it not to take gods name in vain?

To not forget the power of your invocations. We are liable for every careless word.

 

That one hangs heavy.. it's noticeable in my watercolour work

 

The philosophers stone helps lift that weight over time. Success or recognition or coming home to family inspires lightness of being and your invocations of joy are living water to you and importantly yours. What we do for them we also do for ourselves.

 

Teach peace to learn it, that is hold all things harmless in your sight even your own errors. Errors are not for introspection as we are told, to teach us a lesson, that is a contradiction in terms, but for correction. What is the correction, be still and know that I am god, shutoff your temptation to make distinctions and keep looking, it will appear to you in living technicolor.

I say kiss off to those things in my wake and leave good references at my bow.

 

Chinacat, if you can discount science because science cannot predict, today, how the wind will blow in your face in one minute, what would it take to discount magick? Can magick tell you how the wind will blow in your face in one minute? It can't . . . so why apply that standard to science and not to magick?

Also, meterologists are working on how to become better and better at predicting weather. It's an ongoing process, this science thing. It's not a closed book, and no scientist is claiming they have all the answers. We've been over this already, and your inability to process rebuttals to your arguments is beginning to wear on the patience of every single participant in this conversation.

Also, we come back again to your lack of familiarity with science, this time in your mistaken snowflake argument . . .

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So if you've never heard of Chaos Theory (it was the field of speciality of the humorous scientist in the original Jurassic Park), you could make a mistaken argument like the one you've made. And unfortunately most of your posted content here is founded on mistakes of understanding. You've constructed a strawman science boogeyman against which to pit all that you see to be holy and right in this world; but your strawman is just that. It doesn't exist, and if it does in some obstinate scientists, then it exists in THEM, not in science as the entire domain of inquiry. I understand you do not like my definition of science; that's unfortunate, because that is the dictionary definition of science, and the definition that any scientist will give you.

PS, as an atheist scientist, it may surprise you to learn that I am a believer of Panpsychism. I believe consciousness is an inherent property of matter, and that this is plainly demonstrated in the fact that we are matter that has become conscious. Humans being conscious and posting in hipforums is an outcome of the properties of large amounts of hydrogen left to its own business for billions of years.

 

I didn't know there was a name for it. I think all our actions conform to three properties we find in matter, absorption, refection and polarity. These three things are present in how we consort with one another. It is this consortium of common cause that blows the lid of my skull to conceive, it is an almost unbearable joyous angst, an explosion of delight. I can't rest myself from this view to say I am atheist in the sense that people would associate as being theist. I don't what to call it other than that which I came from and when I talk to it it talks back to me. We always choose with a guide and it is not just a matter of taste. there is a rightness about us and rightness about the world that in finding communion can guide the entire pulse of life with fractal and crystal certainty. We may have questions about the world but we shouldn't doubt ourselves or each other.

First do no harm

Doubt is an active attack on this particular advice for salvation

To first do anything you must know what you are doing.

you know not what you do for you perceive and claim harm although you call yourself a physician.

The well are not sick and an unhealed healer is a contradiction in terms.

First remove the barriers to perception of knowledge, log, from your eye, your unrecognized assumptions about things, then you see clearly to remove any misunderstanding.