Does God Exist?

A visceral recognition eloquently expressed.

I do think the language of the subconscious is a conscious language sublimated, fabrications once decided upon and then forgotten, a gestalt. I say this because in following the thought patterns of association I see that they all are some variation of overarching sponsoring premise. I see these premises as conscious because we can create paradigm shifts in perception, actually see the world in a different way by constructing new gestalts. Some call this a conscious choosing of home.

 

They prefer carbon dioxide but yeah, I'm all for it.

 

We can change our minds about the world and so our reasonable response to it. For example there is a sponsoring thought, a conscious choosing of home, that abrogates the call to anger.

 

I wonder too---I have seen a lot of people healed on the Red Road. A year ago there was a lady with breast cancer. We held one healing sweat for her, but she was too sick to attend. The following weekend we held another healing sweat for her, and she attended. The following week she went back to the doctor and the cancer was gone. A few months later one guy had kidney stones and they told him at IHS (Indian Health Services) that they would have to crush them (however they do that---I'm sure you know what I am talking about.) He said no thanks, and went to the Medicine Man and was healed (and without any pain). In a yuwipi ceremony held for my wife and I, there was another man there who had gone heart surgery, but was still having heart problems. The spirits healed him in the yuwipi. There was another cancer victim too I think that was healed last year. These are just the ones I can think of in the past year or so that I have witnessed.

So what happens to an atheist when doctors fail to heal them? After all, belief is a big part of the healing process. Or what if there are other things that are very important that they have to deal with, and have become very big worries?

I guess I was lucky---in that very agnostic---almost atheist---stage of my life, I wasn't faced with such issues. I was still young and fairly carefree.

 

Yeah, thedope, I can dig that.

 

thedope:

We are all our own origin. You are looking for a first cause. You want something to be 'non-physical' , which betrays dissatisfaction. You do not affirm the body as body. Origination and association are not mutually exclusive.

I have my yes and my no. You pretend only to have your yes. You say the physical is not all, yet everything is its condition. Your speech may have your conviction, but it does not have everyones. It is convoluted, and discriminates against expression that overrides it.

So where is the mental pattern that is something other than its physical process?

lol Where have I claimed my desire is indiscriminate?! By correcting your saying - "that which we invoke is essential to all our efforts" with the truth that it is desire alone that is essential to them?

Why? As though it had only one! Ye gods, forgive this man of stone! I understand it better than you that I find the word needless. You wish to mean what you will by it through denying individual expression! Perhaps we do not share a hope after all! Concerning light and movement, it is motion that is immutable, not light. Are you afraid of the dark?

What correction? You don't want god to be a person. I can only then call your association with the supposition 'suspect'.

I haven't asked that question. If god is lifes motivation as you claim, your claim for it is redundant, unless of course you're god. Funnily, there are more among the atheistic minority who'd let you be god, than among your fellow claimants! lol

I don't believe in monsters. You should "work" on ginalee, who does. :-D
So you think your god made flesh would be an abomination?! Remain suspect then, you wanna-be dragon-slayer!

Don't shush me you graven image! I do not stand still in wisdom. The claim to the body is beautiful. I am tired of all whose ego would away with the ego! Let them pass on! ( Dejavu can bless and curse in the same breath you ask, reader?! You might be reading too much into his words! :-D)

 

Wolf:

Wolf, I'd love to tell you I am the highest human being on earth, but it's probably some kid somewhere, in love, with more life ahead of them than I could hope for. I'd love to tell you I was the wizard of Oz even... but I'm just a dejavu!

Until the great unbanning! :-D

 

Tikoo:

Physically...

Let's not hide our thought! There are already too many who want it in uniform!

 

But at least for a brief moment of time, did I give you a momentary vision---a short dream---of what it would be like to be the great manipulator--pulling the levers, pulling the chains, pushing the buttons---yelling into the great electronic machine...?

Though Storch has not responded yet----perhaps the dream I gave him was not as pleasant...

 

Why do you assign me virtues I do not have. I look to see clearly and you complain because I am satisfied in seeing. I didn't say anything was non-physical, I said the mind is abstract and not succinctly physical. The ray of creation proceeds thought word and deed. Thoughts need to be cultivated through articulation to become deeds. Attraction becomes loving embrace which becomes the extension of creature. The only first cause I have seen is the thought, the thought comes first. In a vernacular proving unfriendly to your ears, in the beginning god said let there be light, consciousness dude!
All measures arise from there and we share our thoughts. Just as a car's chassis on an assembly line alone is not succinctly a car but evidence of a process of a car becoming.

Yes there is a physical scaffolding for the flow of energy but energy need not be embodied and I point to radiance.

I am simply consistent whereas you claim yourself apart from existence. God exists, but not for me. Reality is but I am not part of it. You practice self denial which is the improper use of denial if you want to behold correct proportions.

You are very hung up with your infatuation with your own echos and I don't think you are paying attention as much as trying to defend your position by assailing mine.
What does the word invoke mean? Your desire is not indiscriminate, there is good for you and you must have it. You inherit this creative power the purpose of which is to create the good. Suicide or self sacrifice indicates that individual experience is not valuable at all costs.

 

Call me heretic all you want scribe, you neither enter in yourself, self denial, nor allow me to enter my own affirmation that the body is a communication device.

 

please explain

 

thedope;

Dejavu;

The question is the purpose of the threads discussion. You sought to answer the question which is curious if you haven't considered the question. Always self denial in order to affirm what you say is the truth. Life is redundant, from unda, rising and falling like a wave, the breath. funny how you think yourself magnanimously generous.

 

Life is redundant prospering through making many copies.

 

Tikoo:

Oh, I only meant you know how our thoughts travel between us, and how the trees may whisper I love you, that is, physically,

unless of course you don't! :-D

 

No, you can attempt to deny me by pretending I deny myself, scribbler, but I affirm the body as body.

thedope:

How could I stop you? The body is no device of the mind.

The body is its own communication.

 

You and your body are an incestuous crew!

The body is a biological machine, a mechanized assemblage.

Your body does not get up and walk around of it's own accord although it has autonomous nervous functions these are products of cell to cell communication. These functions do not ask permission nor do they inform you of their specific efforts. Our consciousness rides on the back of other bodies and our body is an assemblage of animals or animal development from the beginning of life, just as life itself rides on the back molecular compounds cooked just right. The body's freedom for you is that it is tuned to a certain bandwidth of signal reception set between so many and so many megahertz and the space to assemble or record information, for you the joy of earths biological experience.
The minds freedom for you is that those limitations in bandwidth reception are irrelevant to it's creative essence and so you get things like the hubble telescope that increases our acuity beyond our physical limitation.
Spirit knows nothing but itself and soul is sense of spirit in the body. When the body dies, sense of spirit in the body dies also yet spirit remains in knowing only itself and never the state of death if such an estate even exists. For life's purposes any body will do, unaware of a time when it was not.

 

thedope:

Radiance is not embodied as such?! You're in denial. The mind is so succinctly physical the fact eludes you! Your 'first' cause, mind, is only first in your mind. If you cause it a little more thought, you may see there is no first cause, that causality has no need of one. ∞ ≠ 1

Liar. It would be good to say it is really only that you don't understand. Existence exists for me, because I am that particular part of it, ie. me. The same for reality. And god? You so badly want to equate it with existence! lol

Your position is yours. I will not however swallow your lies in silence, or in any way at all. True, the individual is not valuable at any or all costs. What is more valuable to you?

I've only ever answered that question, when asked to consider it. lol God exists for you thedope. Are you worried I'm denying myself something of yours? Is there a burden you want me to relieve you of?!

Guilty as charged! I'm my body! :-D When you were accused of incest by your sister, I can't imagine you had as good a time of it! lol

It's its own intelligence. It has evolved. It has grown itself. You want the mind to exist apart from the body. You believe in disembodiment, and you are deluded. I may like you, but I'll never let you get behind the wheel if I can help it! lol

My body goes nowhere without me. I've always been it. The rider and ridden horseshit is fun, tex. I'll shoot the shit out of it any day of the week.

The minds freedom for me is such that it can create the body. You don't fathom this, having in mind your 'first' cause.

LOL! You posit as 'possible' a cosy little estate for death. Where does the spirit "remain" post death?

What are lifes purposes thedope?!

 

Radiance equals radiant brightness or light. You see nobody, you see reflected light.

 

and when I shake another's hand, am I shaking reflected light, too?