Does God Exist?

Are you referring to your exchanges with dejavu?

I'm referring to a long history of back and forth in which the two of you engage in an on-going conversation that soon seems to get off topic and seems also to be personal. I don't even try to keep up. But its a free country, and nobody else is complaining so I guess it's just me. Please carry on. I apologize.

 

It's my belief that one's 'God/Goddess' of choice is a matter of Faith; as opposed to Religion, and such choice wiTch gives solace and comfort is all that one needs to get through dark nights

 

both of you comment back to me in a sweetly kind and innocent
way - poeticly tipsy - as though we share an understanding that
is so common as to be humble . but! there's serious and fierce work
to be done !

 

No, to the resigned element in your sigh.

I don't know where we have gone off topic, perhaps you could educate me at that level, and I did earlier in this thread comment on what I called this unfortunate perception and I really don't know how to avoid it other than to stop speaking. That it seems to be personal only reflects that we have personality and perhaps the sheer volume of our communications makes that apparent. It takes time to get to know the peculiar of people.

Frankly I would prefer to go on with you than without you as you make our conversations richer and have tried for some time to break into the clique of those who come armed with references and insist that unless others are so armed they are not to be considered as significant players or worthy of serious scrutiny, which is my account of our long history, (yours and mine.) Anyone can be reasoned with if they find in themselves reason.

Anyway Okiefreak, another sorry ass is not what I am after but I do like friendly people. Apology not needed but I am encouraged by your willingness to consider. Thank you for your response.

For there supposedly not being a god or gods there are page upon page of effort of definitions of what that might mean so we can definitely say that regardless anything else god is a semantic distinction as those obviously exist here in abundance in connection with the word god.

 

Mmmm, whatever, I can only go by my personal experience, same as every other person commenting in this thread.

What I continually find amusing and bewildering is how folks like Okie hold their position, while Airy holds his, yet neither one really seems to want to acknowledg that spiritual experiences/events are just that, experiences.
Experiences can't be gleaned from books or logic or any other fucking thing than actually living through the experience, whatever that may be.
I know and thedope maintains that knowledge is being shared, but what knowledge besides fumbling around in the dark?

Okie you mentioned your "epiphany" yet it really doesn't resonate with such events as described in the NT, yet you will ridicule my experience even though it was/is fairly straightforward and simple as recorded in the NT. I don't need to massage semantics or use church history to support my view/experience, it is simple, I experienced the same power in the same manners as is recorded in the NT. Does that automatically negate the validity of my experience in your eyes then?
Liker I said, like virgins trying to describe an orgasm.
sure you can quote figures, recite statistics, produce research up the wazzooo, but if you ain't experienced it personally, you are oblivious about what you try to profess expertise in.
It really is rather comical.

Does God exists?
Fuck, I don't know and neither does anyone else this side of the grave.
At least I'm honest enough to admit it and just relay my experiences (within the strict anti-Christian constraints of Hip Forums that is) and I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything.
I usually just comment on the methodologies employed in the pursuit of said debates because the actual topic matter is little more than mental masturbation fodder which I have gone over years ago, have more or less come to terms with while I am still learning and modifying.
Sadly I am often accused of trolling or attacking or whatever because I question the motives and methods some members employ in these exchanges.
I guess that's why some of my posts disappear at times.

I always wonder when people argue so vehemently about such things, who are they trying to convince,...... themselves more often than not.


Bottom line to this whole debate that endlessly goes nowhere is that
no one this side of the grave knows for sure one way or another.
Done, finished, problem solved, question answered.
If you can not accept that answer, then you are deluding yourself.

 

Just to maintain that which I maintain, knowledge is, being shared or, shared being.

 

Needs first, wants second.

Isn't it a no-brainer that Humanity's celebration is the aftermath of its salvation? 'kay.

 

There it is again! Willing to suppose the existence of God in order to attribute blame!

God isn't a superego collective. Which evil do you accuse God of?

 

It's not just you, I'm watching. But thedope said, "my dream is being hammered out." Dejavu is working him and there's a benefit in it for thedope (which I have already seen). thedope will see it too and when he does, it won't be to the credit of Dejavu but the credit of thedope. He'll see it, I know he will.

 

thedope:

A copy of lifes authority?! lol Are you your life or not?

You read what I said. I meant it. One more time? God's not all we invoke and not everyone invokes it. If god is worthy of your satisfaction, let it be. The insistence it is "essential to everyones efforts" is sick, even if it's not sinister.

Here's what you said: "I say god is that which we invoke and this of itself is the entire definition. That which we invoke is the set of all things we invoke and is not substantially represented by any particular claim, all claims having the same phenomenological appearance, that being essential to our efforts."

Wrong-headed conclusions. The fact, not only the claim, that all claims are all claims does not make any of them essential to our efforts. That a thing occurred does not necessarily mean it had to. Your claim to god, all claims to god, are needless. Prayer is not worth the air.

True, so what's your reply now? How is our good better for your calling it god? Really, it isn't.

What fact? That the abstract is "non-physical?" Where is this fact outside of your special little dictionary?

The only common experience we have of god is our discussion of it thedope.

God as 'that which is essential to all our efforts' is your root definition of the word. The truth of it though is that god's only a word for said supposition. As associative standard, my definition holds throughout its whole application, while yours falls away wherever it is applied. But why should I concern myself? Life itself supplants your rooted god, by default. lol

No, my association with 'god', by your own reckoning, is a given. Is your power of association greater than mine or not?

That's right. You are your condition in full. We are all our bodies. That we are our own ideas is more compelling than you think. I don't mind if you dream, but when you get up and go about bumping into those who are awake, don't think badly of us that we may suggest you stay up with us. :-D

 

ginalee, 'knower' of satan lol:

You're a little previous. How did you become wide awake in eternity as you claim, yet with humanitys whole salvation ahead of you? It's a no-brainer alright! lol :-D

Gina to Okiefreak:

LOL I love thedope. I share his hope. He doesn't believe in, or 'know' satan like you claim to gina. He can't speak straight yet, but that's not entirely his fault. There is nothing wrong with his heart that I can see.

Atheists will continue to take the rattle, god, away from the big baby. It shall try its teeth on finer things!

 

Tikoo:

:-D No doubt! Our sobriety shall not go to waste sergeant major sir!

 

What makes you think I don't see Humanity as in damnation with no potential for salvation?

How did I awaken? And remember? I took a bath, washed Humanity's shit off of me.

 

gina:

Some are sore, even in their somnambulism! lol You think we're not our bodies. At least you don't appear to think humanity is its shit. If you think of it though in terms of salvation and damnation, you'll need assistance celebrating it. Dance disturbs you, you say. I'm sure it won't get in the way of your snooooze. :-D

 

Hold on there a minute! How dare you call ginalee a previous--and a little previous to boot! I've known ginalee for as long as I can't recall, and she's not a previous, though she used to be . . . previously. Now she's a present, a gift to all.

Also, I, too, became wide awake in eternity. The first thing I came to realize was that I really had no idea about how I was going to fill the time. So I went back to sleep. Call me a coward if you want, but at least my dreams are short . . . and varied.

 

I wouldn't call it cowardly storch. It was probably even wise, to a degree. The last time I woke eternity up, she was occupied, or rather, I tried to make it my own occupation to stay with her 'alone', and I was left in something of a nightmare, partially of my own making. Not her fault at all. We'll have to make the time together, or not at all.

 

SHE? What I saw was definitely a HE . . . with balls the size of planets; and not like Mercury. I'm talking Jupitier!!

 

lol In all joviality, you might have gotten the wrong end of the telescope on that one! Eternity's too wild to be a queen. :-D My last affair with her nearly got me killed! The big sleep! I'm sure she'd be mad if she knew, but she's far too fair for me to want to bother her with the knowledge.

 

I'm tellin' . . .