Does God Exist?

Well, that was weird. I could not post what i said, then I said it again, but do not remember writing the word rele....hmmmm...ok.....twilight zone time again....

 

I did see the LOL, and yes, I did get it.

 

Basing your understanding of life through a God of the Gaps argument is not decent. I don't have faith that one day we will know why there is a universe (if that question even makes sense), I only observe that when we search for answers and don't give in to platitudes and superstition, we tend to find real answers.

 

I understand life just fine and accept evolution for what it is, but there is no real origin answer, and never will be. I chose to give [that] a name is all, you didn't.

 

How do you know?

 

Common sense, unless you're willing to accept a supernatural explanation. Who made who made who made who...there is no answer to the question of origin, the question itself has an uncountable set.

 

I forget the name of the comedian who hosted SNL about a year or so ago---but in his opening monologue he said:

I am here to answer once and for all, "what came first, the chicken or the egg?"

The egg, because chickens are always hatched from eggs, therefore the egg came first.

...Now some might ask, 'where did that egg come from?' Well, another chicken of course---but that doesn't matter.

 

False dichotomy; you don't know the answer to the question, so you can't say that the answer is either "common sense" (which is neither common nor very often sensical) or supernatural (not a single phenomenon in all of recorded history has ever been supernatural, and in fact Hume proved that the very idea of something being supernatural makes no sense at all). So I ask again, how do you "know" that we will -never- know the answer of origins? It sounds like you are taking this on faith. It reminds me of a merchant in 16th century florence saying "we will never know why the moon hangs in the heavens, its either something supernatural or its an uncountable set of who holds up what holds up who holds up what..."

 

Equating ignorance of celestial bodies to we'll eventually understand the origin of life, is a stretch. To address your faith comment, yes I do have faith. The same faith you attribute a different word to that allows you to sit on the sidelines observing time as it yields the 'real' answers, without having to actually speak aloud whether you believe in a higher power. A non-belief is the same as the agnostics' cowardice of suggesting God's existence is possible. Maybe you can't admit to yourself there is no answer because the only logical conclusion is supernatural, but that's not a hangup for me. I know there will never be an answer, because there is no answer. Don't conflate scientific theory with willful ignorance when it comes to critical thinking.

 

"I know there will never be an answer, because there is no answer"

you don't see how that's circular?

 

Not in the context.

 

Correction, based on the Modern Western Metaverse there has never been a a single case of supernatural phenomenon in recorded history. Recorded history has many cases of supernatural phenomena (and I am not talking Biblical here), though the narrative of the modern times denies their validity. It is reductionist to assume that this modern narrative is any more correct about certain things than was the scientific and dogmatic narrative that insisted until close to the 1900's that disease is spread by night airs and bad smells.

Hume did not 'prove' that the idea of something being supernatural made no sense. He presented an argument of such in response to Berkeley who said that existence is perception, and that material reality was an illusion (only mind exists). However both arguments were so difficult to disprove that it resulted in a stalemate-----prompting the joke---'no thing, never mind,' and a crisis in philosophy.

It took Kant to resolve the differences between the two arguments and get the Modern Age back on course again.


Again-----I suggest you sit through a Lakota yuwipi ceremony and then see what you think about whether or not there is a supernatural side to this universe...

 

i too have had experiences that strongly suggest things completely non-physical, really do, in a concrete, not merely philosophical sense, really do exist.
but my experiences were also such as to suggest, that whatever god or gods might exist, are completely innocent, of what christianity, islam or any beliefs of any kind claim to know about them.
yes a 'supernatural' side, if you want to call it that, but not one you'll find in any religious book, or the kinds of religions in today's dominant cultures.

i don't believe we live in a universe that is micro-managed by them, but rather that they are instead a completely separate question from anything and everything to do with everyday life,
and at any rate, whether they exist, and in what form or anything else about them, is not up to what anyone thinks they know anyway.

i think its great that there are things we don't know, and that we need to get over our problem our egos have with accepting that we don't know them.

 

Last page bump.

 

I find it amusing that science is allowed to correct itself on the daily with new theories when evidence shows itself yet religion, we're expected to take that at face value when it was written thousands of years ago. And we can't correct religion either. If that's what it said two thousand years ago then that's concrete and we can't change our minds nor will the atheist let you.

But it's okay because whatever the atheist believed 30 years ago they don't believe now because what they believed in has been corrected under new evidence and theories as they progress.

Lol.

 

I don't think we will ever know.

People who have died might know, that is if there is anything to know, but Dead Men Tell No Tales.

 

Why would an atheist not let you change your minds about what was said 2,000 years ago?

 

"Err err err you really believe Noah's ark held all those animals?"

Thats why, GB. That's why.

 

One theory....Interesting to note that a Noah's Ark, so to speak, is being made today....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMl4xyqm15U