Does God Exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Naiwen, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    Would God describe for you a belief system let it be ' life is kind '. This can be
    demonstrated for you in a physical way .
     
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  2. AiryFox

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    I have no qualms in judging others, especially theists.

    There may be some theists who are good as a result of their belief system and they may do good deeds in a humanistic manner.

    Very deep down, I must admit that these very few can and have shown that goodness can be a result of religious belief, but they are the minority. Even though I can admit what I just have, I also am of the opinion that there is absolutely no reason for them to have their religious beliefs. Surely, and I know this for a fact, they can be good people without an unnecessary focus on mythology as the only means toward morality or happiness.

    Getting back on track with the topic of the thread, I also want to state what I am uncertain has already been stated. That is that before anyone can even get to the question of does god exist? one must first be able to satisfactorily define precisely what a god is. Even if that can be adequately done, a god's existence can no more be proven than the existence of a fairy. After all, if god's existence could in any way be proven, then there would be no need for faith. Faith is what every theists needs to maintain that the belief system is real, and faith is not that which should in any way be considered reliable in believing something as real.
     
  3. tikoo

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    The faerie is a creature of light . Their language is geometry and is expressed artfully as though
    drawn with dancing in the air . A slow uprising spiral is gentle emotion , like love , unto love .

    It is your disrespect that is not of this world , alien .

    Some of us are home . God is no trouble here . Existence is acceptable for what it is and as to what it
    reveals to the bless-ed . Relating to all known existence is one thing , and unto to All of Existence - this
    is a matter of faith and is a heart-song .
     
  4. AiryFox

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    Faith =/= existence.

    The mind can conceive of anything, but it does not mean that what is being conceived has any place in the existence of reality.
     
  5. briezie13

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    "It's simple wave physics and interference patterns. Nothing supernatural or sacred or divine. It's funny how so many people would rather remain ignorant of the true nature of things. Fact is all kinds of frequencies will make all kinds of different patterns dependant upon the resonance of the substrates you are vibrating. Sure it's fascinating but that "ohm' is some kind of divine frequency is just fantasy and superstition."

    Thats all it is to begin with..just nature. Man is the one who insists that its divine,supernatural, or paranormal. That in itself does not mean god could not exist.






    It's actually kind of ironic that this phenomenon is used to falsely affirm superstitious and spiritual beliefs when really it demonstrates how matter is formed from the nothingness of random space-time-energy flux. Matter IS just an interference pattern in space-time. Not of divine will and supreme consciousness, Just simple intrinsic wave physics of space-time."
     
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    I cant edit my post, so I must continue here.
    Thats kindof my point.When I posted that video, it was to demonstrate a few things..one being natural phenomena, thats always been considered to be divine or supernatural in some way.
     
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    Even so, it doesnt mean that frequencies are not involved. If you understand how sound affects the body, especially true when it comes to infrasound, its not ironic at all that people have always associated it with the strange or divine happenings.
     
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    Btw, I neglected to mention, that a person who is subjected to certain frequencies, experience Metatonin cascade.Verificaton papers of DMT production in DNA pineal tissue can be found at Nicholas Cozzi PhD’s research group at the University of Wisconsin. I have quite a few research papers on this if you would like more verification.Considering this, it is not surprising that Shamans, religions , tibetian monks and many others feel that sound is critical to the spiritual experience.
     
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    So, the reality IS, chants such as om are not as far fetched and full of fantasy as some might think.
     
  10. guerillabedlam

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    I am interested in seeing the DMT papers...
     
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  11. briezie13

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    No problem, when I get on my pc, I can send the pdfs.
     
  12. relaxxx

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    No.

    The reality is that some vibration frequencies are soothing and pleasurable while others are annoying an even painful.

    The reality is that any kind of pleasurable sensation is comprised of physical and chemical mechanisms within biological neural networks that have been evolving through natural selection for billions of years.

    The reality is that that primitive superstitious beliefs of supernatural divinity are pure fantasy with zero logic and no proof. They actually thrive on misinformation and ignorance.
     
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    reality is ... a relationship .
    a vibration is ... relationally informative
    primitive is ... motherly
     
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    Perhaps your taste in art is extremely important to you . And vital to the well-being of all ?

    I am unfamiliar with the word =/= . It reads to me like 'walking in balance' .
     
  17. Okiefreak

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    But the challenge is to decide what "reality" is. Professor Nick Bostrom at Oxford thinks our "reality" is a Matrix-style computer simulation, and of course presents rational arguments and evidence to support that view. Most people probably think "reality" is the consensus of their culture. Reality is that the United States is the greatest country in the world, but government is evil, and of course Jesus loves us, cuz the Bible tells us so, and the meaning of life is to have a good job, a trophy spouse, a nice lawn, and go to heaven when we die, and people like you are just cranks (not really, but that's what they think.) And of course there are the 'brute empiricists" who think reality is only what we can see, feel, hear, touch or smell, or what science tells us is real--and if science doesn't deal with it, it must not be real or important. But there are also those who tell us that there's a deeper reality, accessible to the mind or soul. Platonists and Buddhists tell us that the "realty" of our senses is an "illusion". So which reality are you talking about?
     
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    The sacred chant aum is very beneficial to the spirit.It resonates and activates subtle changes in the vibration of the practitioner's DNA structure and connects the ethereal body with the cosmic holistic winds and channels of a greater universal ground of beingness that transcends current scientific explanation.Coupled with third eye meditation and release of the pineal honey it allows access to a state of absolute bliss and contentment.You can argue me with me if you like,but I have experienced it myself,and stand by my assertions.If neuroscientists wish to research these phenomena,they are welcome,but these states are highly metaphysical so I don't know what conclusions they would draw.
     
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  19. thedope

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    Shall we say schuman resonance and alpha brain waves come in at 7.83 hz.

    If you take all frequencies together they present as a single sound. Your position thrives on the supposed ignorance of others. Without this juxtaposition you have nothing to add to the subject. The more mysterious a thing is the more assumptions about it you take. I display no absence of logic. We are not bound by natural selection we are involved in it as our emotional state influences the expression of genes. All creatures have a hand in their own development in a biofeedback network. The emergence of animals on land had to have involved individuals who inhabited edge environments as matter of personal interest. Natural selection means individuals also make selections.
     
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  20. Fairlight

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    What is the evolutionary advantage of meditation in evolutionary terms?
    Makes no sense.Blind natural selection is not a complete scientific paradigm.I am not imputing a prime mover here,but suggesting simply that there is an holistic teleology at work in evolution that seeks ever greater complexity,and that genetic memory can change in response to immediate events and be transmitted to immediate offspring in the course of one generation.Mental evolution may of course be achieved in one lifetime,and passed down to immediate progeny through adapted socialization and maternal/paternal teaching behaviours.This of course includes humanity.To stay on topic,I am of course an agnostic,in light of their being no proof either way.I have a strange kind of faith in a somewhat abstract sense,but am always aware that this could be my last day.I don't believe I have special protection from a cosmic deity,but am thankful that I have been relatively lucky compared to many so far.
     
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