Do you think people are born gay?

Oh I really don't care what you're into. I was just answering lol.

 

What arguments? You say being gay is a choice, so when asked when you chose to not be gay, i.e. chose to be straight, your response has been, "It's not a choice you sit down and make."

Are you saying your argument is that making a choice isn't making a choice?

How can anyone argue against that?

 

The short version is, older people 60 and beyond, a lot of them are angry at the gay thing, for a completely different set of reasons you are at the moment, its impossible for them to explain to you.

Like if I said to you having a daughter too early is the No.1 thing thats going to lead you to suck a whole lot of dick in your 50s. You'd be like what the fuck are you talking about???? (Not every guy that has a daughter too early, YOU).

Well it not actually the homosexuals they are angry at, but the bisexuals, but you dont care about that distinction at the moment.

You shouldnt have allowed gay marriage becuase it will mean even more woman that have a kid with a guy, dump him, claim child support, live with another woman, pretend to be gay or just be 'relationship lesbians' and allow them to be even more picky with guys they hook up with for casual sex.

Making 99% of the male population even more disposable.

Its only been legalized recently in the US, give it a couple decades and the real effect will be more obvious

 

You certainly do go ape with your ill logics.

 

Right, exactly. you are saying "you can switch." and I am saying "you cannot."

Although to be fair I do actually think sexuality lies on a spectrum, some people will ONLY be attracted to the same sex and most people will ONLY be attracted to the opposite sex and then there are people in between who are curious about both and will have relationships with both men and women throughout their lives. So I guess it is difficult for me to say that someone can't change their sexuality when there are people who are capable of lust and love with both genders.

But its really more the angle you're approaching the subject, the judgey "homosexuals are bad mmkay and should change just to suit me and my kind" angle.

anyways the article you posted addressed some criticism with the study you're referencing. For one, how can it be proven that some of the participants of the study "never or rarely thought of someone of the same sex during intercourse" - like the article points out, many of these people in the study were referred there by anti gay religious groups so they're already going into it with the idea in their head that homosexuality is a sin and something to be ashamed of...so not a lot of motivation there for them to be honest in a study like this.
And the study you referenced also referenced another study that contradicts the findings of this study.

to be fair though, this does seem to be the case a lot of times - Its always the straight men with the most overtly homophobic tendencies who you later find out were banging their hot 20 year old male intern the whole time, ya know?

 

I can't tell anymore. Sometimes it seems like some men are gay as a way to associate with women. Sometimes they seem like misogynists, other times it just looks fun. But I wouldn't exclude the possibility of gay souls.

 

I can't believe I'm posting here...but here goes before I go and watch Law & Order...

I can only speak for the gay people I know....I don't know about all gay people. The thought "you're born that way" is a big big statement. I know there is a part of the brain that is associated with homosexuality, and supposedly gay people's brains are different in some way that a heterosexual. I have no proof and no links...but I know I've read that.

The gay people I know and have known all of my life had tendencies that (now) I would say they were gay but I didn't realize what this meant. Really. I can look back because hingsight is 20/20 and I should have known...but yeah

The gay people I've known the longest were that way from an early, early age. One prior to puberty, the other two, definitely/without a doubt at and during puberty.

I'm not speaking for the multitude of gay people I've met through my life...I don't know their life stories, as they don't know mine.

It seems the ones I know were born that way, just as I was born heterosexual.

 

If you say so....

6 posts? Who are you?


Melai kind of hinted to it in the post under yours.

If you dont find out about it till 20/30 or more years later.


You dont think there are a bunch of older people pissed off becuase they didnt find out about their partner...or father, mother, sister, brother, but mostly partner was having same sex relations until 20, 30 years later?

What percentage of the population is actively bi at some stage in their life? You have no idea as to what the true answer to that question is, and yet I'm sure you will convince yourself I'm talking nonsense

Its right in front of your face the whole time and yet later you get a little peeved it took you 50 years to work it out

 

I'm saying that the choice is a process.

 

Um, could you repeat that in English?

 

Even if that's true, while it's hypocritical, it's irrelavant to the argument.

 

Basically you are going to be grumpy at a different set of things later on, you have no clue now, and its impossible to explain to you.

A lot of what you are angry at now isnt even real

 

I don't think being gay/bi/trans/lesbian is a choice at all. I know I'm definitely bisexual (more pansexual, actually..), because when I was very young, I had sexual feelings for both men AND women. Being bi used to confuse the hell out of me many years ago, and did cause me a lot of pain in my life. To have to deal with this was totally not a "choice." It is the way it is. Today, I just have a relationship with a person of whatever gender I happen to fall in love with. I never cheat, or go back and fourth. I'm loyal if I'm in a committed relationship to that person and that's it. I cannot speak for other people, and this is the way I feel about this topic.

 

Of course we are born gay or bi or pan or intersex. It might be that 'apparently' straight people are led/tempted to try sex with another gender but in reality that desire is in them anyway.

IMHO we are all potentially bisexual to varying degrees. and of course some of us have a higher libido than others; just that we are all subjected to the 'norms' of the society we grow up in.

Simon

 

I see a whole lot of opinion, not a whole lot of science.

 

Yeah but tbh science says we came from monkeys and I ain't ever seen homosexual monkey societies. So who cares what science has to say about my personal life, I know who I am, do you know who you are?

 

Why do straight people care one way or the other?

 

Why do you care? This topic is open for debate. Homosexuals won the political battle. They are free to marry as they wish. Why can't I express my opinion when the topic doesn't affect anyone as you say? If you're that bothered about people expressing their opinions then get off the Internet.

 

So does it work both ways? Could you hypothetically make the choice to be gay?

 

I agree (100%) about us coming from monkeys...I just don't think we are evolved monkeys since there still ARE lots of monkeys. Yeah I also know people who consider themselves "in the know" that have flipped out when I told them my opinion.

All that being said...there has been observation of both female and male gorilla homosexuals!

There is actually a whole list of animals that have been seen displaying homosexual behavior. Its actually very interesting.