Defend the Second Amendment!

reminds me of a cartoon I once drew.....a man with a bible in one hand and a gun in the other.

 

Yes, ofttimes it seems as though there are more people who like to wave the Bible around than live by what it says inside it.

 

Guns make it easier to kill that is all. Why provide convenience to the idea of killing? It is not correct to say man demonstrated the ability to kill in great numbers before the advent of weapons of any kind. To say limiting guns won;t stop killing misses the point of the available and easy lethal nature of guns. Men can't kill at a distance without some tool. If a mans battles were confined to tooth and nail there would be very little human on human mortality at all. We don't possess the easy equipment as we are, we have to invent weapons to kill efficiently of effectively

I'm all for creating temporary conditions to the extent you are able but I don't think buying a gun is something that speaks to your ability to defend yourself. Obviously guns are not defensive unless you think that killing and maiming someone else qualifies as defense of self. The fact is it qualifies as maiming and killing and leaves you perpetually at risk of retribution.

Your position is here that guns are not the problem because everyone kills. Bogus argument on a reasoned basis.

 

The bible doesn't say anything particularly not inside itself. I've made this correct point with you many times before. The bible is a book. It does not speak. It is a repository of symbols which by the very nature of symbols must be interpreted. Same argument you make in speaking that christians don't kill. Many who profess to be christians have in fact killed. They in fact use scripture as basis for their just battles. Your position is they are wrong and you are right and that is the true and bottom line summation of it. Who are you to judge who is christian and who is not? Why do you feel it falls to you to make this distinction? That exercise is certainly contraindicated by the saying judge not lest you be judged. How can you witness redemption if you have judged against it? Can not a man who has killed be redeemed in god? How are we to know if you are redeemed if you act in the same way as those that judge?

This is the way it works, you are held to the same standards you claim for yourself and for others. If what the bible says is your standard then consider what it says.

 

I am not religious at all....and i would not kill anything.....and one of the commandments is thou shalt not kill. When do people take that seriously, if they are religious?

 

Being religious does not of itself qualify as being serous minded.

 

No? than serious anything?
what would be the point of it then? To ensure a place in heaven?
what?

 

Please notice you are comparing a city to a state. When you compare cities from those states you get a different picture, for example murder rate in st louis mo. is 7.3, Murder rate for london is 2.1. Try again wizard.

 

To resist the temptation to killing. If you took it seriously that is. If it is a matter of a moments taste then a moments taste the other way will take you away. If it is a matter of comparison to circumstance then the circumstance seems more convincing. You come up with it is good to kill in certain circumstances. If you decided not to kill then killing is not an option. If you did you wouldn't be serious or of a consistent mind.

The commandment you quote is there to protect life. Not to make you better than you are.

 

no, killing is not an option here.....only in self defense.....but if it came down to either me or someone who was trying to kill me....you damn straight I am going to fight for my life.

 

I hope you don't find yourself with that choice. I would point out that only in self defense is in fact opting out of the conviction not to kill. It is the circumstantial situation I am talking about when I say if it is a matter of comparing circumstances.

 

Let's hope none of us do.....

 

Are you sure you are so right? What about the old words of the bible? What about yesterdays statistics or statistic over long stretches of time? I think it likely your sense of proportion is disturbed.

 

I think you may have over looked something, Missouri was not one of the states that I mentioned. So to quote you; "Try again wizard"

 

Then are are you saying that you think Balbus is God and that his words apply through the centuries and in all circumstances?

In any case, what I was saying was that answers intended for others years ago are not as likely to fit as well to the questions of people of today as an answer constructed today would.

 

Very well Seattle wa. 3.7

 

No.

I know what you are saying and you said it again, and I am asking what about the bible, what about statistics over a long time? What do you mean don't fit as well? Why would an answer constructed today based on the same information be different?

 

Providence rhode island, 9.6. Rates are per 100,000.

 

I already replied to your Bible reference, Balbus' comments are not in the same league as God's.

Statistics are statistics and are not a direct answer to someone's question.

And why would you need to adapt your answer to each different person?

Simply because they are a different person, with differing personalities and thus deserve answers that fit them individually.

For instance, if you and Balbus asked exactly the same question word for word; I would, without changing the substance of the the answer, personalize the answer for each of you and not try and give you both a one size fits all answer that would fit neither of you.

To me to do otherwise would be rude.

 

Citing your sources would be nice.