Defend the Second Amendment!

Discussion in 'Politics' started by WolfLarsen, May 29, 2014.

  1. thedope

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    niether fortress nor prison protects us from the effects of our own thinking.
     
  2. SouthPaw

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    Fear based business? People don't call 911 because they're scared, they call because they're already in trouble and need help.

    I don't give anyone the benefit of the doubt? What are you talking about?

    Yes, I had a concealed carry permit until last summer. I moved to a new state so my permit is no longer valid.

    No, I don't "check my piece" when I see a homeless guy. First of all, who talks like that? Secondly, why would I?

    I'm well aware of the plight of homeless vets. I used to volunteer at the Boston Shelter for Homeless Veterans. I'm a veteran myself.

    I spent time at most of the homeless shelters in Boston. Homeless vets, as a whole, were in a lot better shape than the rest. Mental illness was less of a factor at the veteran's shelter, most just needed a helping hand getting back on their feet. There were rules....counseling, they had to look for a job and open a bank account, they had curfews, etc. The city and state run shelters were a different story.

    One of the vets I met there later founded a non-profit called The Teddy Bear Foundation that raised money and hosted events for foster children. He was raised in the foster care system. I was on the Board of Directors for three years.

    Anything else you'd like to know? For someone who says they don't care about my personal life you sure ask a lot of questions.
     
  3. SouthPaw

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    They can protect us from the effects of other people's thinking, though.
     
  4. thedope

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    The eveidence is they have not.
     
  5. Gongshaman

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    My bad, I miss-read. I thought you worked for an alternative service.
     
  6. Balbus

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    Paw

    I notice you do not reply.

    To repeat - what I see is that you seem to be promoting gun ownership as a means of dealing with the symptoms of socio-economic but on ways to tackle the socio-economic causes of those problems you seem rather quiet.
     
  7. thedope

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    I think the majority of people feel they are in a situation in which they cannot effect change in the world. This idea comes from the errant perception that our subjective experience does not manifest as the world we see. We react to the world in the way we conceive of it. To change the world you simply present consistently in thought word and deed the world you would like to see disregarding evidence to the contrary. As human beings then our effectiveness comes in becoming ourselves the change we want to see. That means if you want to reduce gun violence in your life, don't carry a gun. If you want to have freedom allow it everywhere. If you want to be free of resistance don't resist, instead do what you will consistently.
     
  8. Gongshaman

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    I'm not against guns per se, but I do sometimes try to convince people they probably don't need one.
     
  9. 6-eyed shaman

    6-eyed shaman Sock-eye salmon

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    It's amusing how anti-gunners think they can assume a person's background and life experiences without spending a second in their shoes, and have the nerve to determine what property possessions should make them feel safe or not.
     
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  11. Gongshaman

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    I'm glad you are so easily amused. It's one of the reasons we ask questions about someones background, to find out why they don't feel safe, and to see if they have their own thoughts or are just aping whats been fed to them.

    Any actual thoughts of your own on the subject?
     
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  12. Gongshaman

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    I believe what I said was, I was tempted to accuse you of being a certain kind of person, and then I was explaining what kind of person I meant. I never actually made the assumption, and that's the reason for all the questions. and I apologize for the miss-reading. I still don't really care about your individual situation, just the mechanics of it.
    You sound like are probably responsible gun owner to me, but I'm a little puzzled why you feel threatened by assault weapon bans and the like.
    Do you really feel like your rights to own a firearm are being eroded to the point where they will want to take away your shotty?
    Yeah, who talks like that, lol I get tired of saying 'gun'

    Piece= hand gun Shotty=shotgun, in case you didn't know.
     
  13. thedope

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    i like tasteful people
     
  14. stormountainman

    stormountainman Soy Un Truckero

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    Utilitarian philosophy; but, it works most of the time. It also reminds me of Shunyata.
     
  15. 6-eyed shaman

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    Most of the time they don't ASK. They just flat out say "A gun? You don't need that. Get a dog, call the cops or some shit like that."


    The point is that different people have different safety concerns. For example, I have a friend who doesn't like coming over to my place to visit because I live on the 11th floor of a high-rise apartment, and he feels safer at ground level. He lives in a one story house and he feels safe that way. He's afraid of heights and is worried about being trapped in a tall building during a fire or evacuation. I know the risks of living in a high-rise building but I choose to live there anyway. My mother was driving a sedan one day many years ago and got severely rear-ended by a redneck in a half-ton pickup truck, and then after she got her car repaired she got rear-ended again in the same car. She no longer felt safe driving a mid-sized sedan, and got herself a full-sized SUV because they sustain rear-end collisions much better.

    I've never known anybody who's actually survived had their home broken into or their door kicked in. But I can imagine after going through something like that, they'd feel safer owning a gun.
     
  16. thedope

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    i have the cops were not called and I didnt have a dog at the time. The saftey cocerns you are talking about are irrational not reasoned. They can be undone with a rational peak at your own experince.
     
  17. 6-eyed shaman

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    Your idiot roommate locking his keys out of the house and trying to force his way back in doesn't count as a break-in. LOL

    Once again you assume everyone is impacted the same way by all experiences. This is not true, everyone is impacted differently.
     
  18. thedope

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    every one might have a different perspective but our equpment is the same. What varies is fundamental understanding and I am talking about robery not my room mate forgetting his keys.
     
  19. 6-eyed shaman

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    Sorry to hear about that, I was just trolling. Were you home at the time? I've had my old roommate break the lock on our door while I was away. He left it unfixed for 5 days and I was pissed for his lack of security consciousness and being a jackass.
     
  20. thedope

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    ive had my shit ripped off at least half a dozen times and been rolled just walking down the street. I stopped locking things up to avoid collareral damage.
     

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