Darren Wilson Ferguson Trial

Discussion in 'Random Thoughts' started by r0llinstoned, Nov 24, 2014.

  1. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    It's been mentioned earlier... Body cams "malfunction" at just the wrong/right moment all too frequently.
     
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  2. newbie-one

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    it's still better than nothing. if the body cam "malfunctions", it certainly casts a little more doubt on the cops testimony. and if a cop's body cam malfunctions often enough, it paints a pretty clear picture.


    it might also be possible to engineer better body cams, and to make them more tamper-evident
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

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    I wasn't disagreeing... They should be mandatory and better units should be in the works. As it is they are fallible though.
     
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  4. Wizardofodd

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    The only physical evidence shown was shown by the prosecutor who I feel like I have more than sufficiently discredited in this this thread. I don't feel like we've really seen all of the evidence. What we've seen is a case brought by a prosecutor who had every intention of making sure this cop wouldn't be charged. Now...maybe there isn't a reason to charge him and maybe there is but this kind of bullshit trial stinks of a conflict of interests. There was no justice served. Even if the cop is totally innocent....this didn't help prove that. What happened helps nobody.
     
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    There is no requirement to prove innocence.

    Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat
     
  6. thedope

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  7. Wizardofodd

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    That's true in theory. It would be nice if it were like that for everyday citizens but it really isn't.
     
  8. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    i heard an interview with the policeman and he says he fired his weapon in anger , that
    never before had he fired his weapon in anger , and that he's sorry he got angry .
     
  9. thedope

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    He mentioned several times in official testimony and in media interviews that he did not feel in control. What is the justifiable circumstance for mental and emotional breakdown? Could someone injured in a shooting be expected to act with political correctness or rationally? It is obvious there were desperate emotions involved. I think the policeman's response is fundamentally related to his attitude about his role in events claiming ultimately that he did his job right. The obvious omission in that statement however is what he feels his duty or role should be as an employee of the police department. I guess we are to assume that his standards are shared but I personally wouldn't be offended if someone was walking down the middle of the street or confront that person in a commanding way to do otherwise.
     
  10. newbie-one

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    All of the reports that i've heard about this case suggest that the prosecutor's handling of it was unusual and not aimed at aggressively persuing an indictment.

    If the standard for indictment is probable cause, that is, there is reason to think that the shooting might have been unjustified, then he should have been indicted.

    On the other hand, i don't think that there's anyway that he could have been convicted in a trial, since there is at least reasonable doubt about the shooting.

    It would have been in the public interest for this case to have at least gone to trial, but there's no way it could have resulted in a conviction based on the available evidence.
     
  11. Wizardofodd

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    Well...this is interesting. I try not to be a "conspiracy theorist" and just call things as I see them but....this raises questions. Besides the obvious questions....I wonder why there were so many cars in the parking lots of closed businesses. Maybe they belonged to protesters who traveled there but I doubt they would torch their own cars. I have three auto parts stores within walking distance of my house. When they are closed, the lots are almost always completely empty. What this video seems to show is an area clearly in police control...without a single protester around....with full parking lots at closed businesses....and all of it burned?

    https://www.popularresistance.org/did-police-set-autos-on-fire-during-ferguson-protests/
     
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  12. Meliai

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    I'm not one for conspiracy theories either but I can't find any eyewitness videos on YouTube which show people actually rioting.
     
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  13. Nerdanderthal

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    When you film individuals breaking the law they don't usually take it well.

    Here's a guy who was live streaming getting his phone live stolen if you like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWkTAqmJUwc

    Also Mike Brown was charged with Second Degree Murder as a juvenile and was filmed the day of the incident exhibiting signs of violence. SO WHAT THAT MEANS HE DESERVED TO BE EXECUTED? No but it does denote a pattern of behavior and provides infinite amounts of circumstancial evidence concerning whether the officer was attacked and justifiably worried about his safety.

    There may very well have been agent provocateurs present in that town carrying out acts of vandalism. There's been a lot of race baiting going on. The MainStreamMedia has handled this atrociously.
     
  14. hotwater

    hotwater Senior Member Lifetime Supporter

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    We've made great strides in race relations over the last 50 years but there's still that sense in the black community of inequity, that were still not being treated as equals.

    So when a white cop shoots a black teenager we feel as if its an attack against the entire race, and we stand together in unity (right or wrong)

    Hotwater
     
  15. Sitka

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    I fail to see how looting local businesses is "standing together".
     
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  16. tikoo

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    i guess i'll have to stand with some crazy homeless guys that have been killed by cops lately ... yep , they
    insanely never did lay down stone cold but it's not they walk around anymore and they quit eating .
     
  17. thedope

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    WTF

    The St. Louis Police Officers' Association said on Monday that the five NFL athletes who displayed the “hands-up-don’t-shoot” pose embraced by protesters in nearby Ferguson should be “disciplined” over an act the union called “tasteless, offensive and inflammatory” to cops around the United States.

    Can you say justice for brown?
     
  18. Gongshaman

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    Oh snap, It's on now! Talkin' 'bout Americas entertainment! ....Interesting times
     
  19. thedope

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    Well brown paid with his life and the police union is demanding recompense for being embarrassed. Therein is a profound lack of proportion in their thinking on the issue. They need be concerned about their own role in society and only deflect and obscure the recognition of it by saying the devil made them do it.

    "He looked like a demon!"
     
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  20. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    I really think the NFL's decision not to discipline the athletes may end up biting them in the rear some day irregardless of what the St. Louis Police Officers' Association thinks.

    What will now stop any athlete from using an NFL game as a platform for their own personal protest? Can we imagine a group of athletes demonstrating at the next game in favor of the police officer? What then? More counter demonstrations by other athletes during games?

    What if some athlete decides to display a swastika, or Confederate battle flag, or maybe walks out of the locker room bearing a Christian cross?

    The NFL should have declared game time to be non political by disciplining these guys, regardless of their or anyone else's views of the situation.
    The players have a right to free speech in their personal lives, but the NFL needs a definitive policy concerning these types of displays during game time.

    IMO
     
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