Darren Wilson Ferguson Trial

Stealing cigarelloes (sp?) or what ever they were is not a felony. I haven't even seen proof that he stole anything. Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. There is no proof of that. There really is no proof of anything. From there, we default back to what the cop says as if it's infallible. It isn't. I would totally expect you to be on my team about this.

 

Dude, I love riots ... for entertainment. But for the betterment of the community..it's thoughtless and pointless.

Burn the police cars just because...cops, you know, cops. The rest, get real.

And if black people hate working for the white man who btw, is a majority here, create your own country, kinda like Texas.
Until then, who has the felony and actually has beat up by cops... you or me? Oh, me. Stop making everything about race.

BTW THERE ARE RACIST COPS AND PROFILING. BUT... it can be for a reason. Young black men join gangs and commit crimes. Duh.

You're not doing the young black men any favors by giving them cop outs to the whole situation. Be a part of the real solution hw.

and btw, AGAIN cops are shits are everyone.

 

One of the pillars of a free society is the presumption of innocence. Profiling is an erosion of that pillar.

 

After reading most, but not all, of this thread- I have something I feel is valid to say.

Why don't instead of us and everyone arguing about this exact case/situation...whether the cop was justified, whether he was racist, whether MB was a criminal or an innocent kid...

I think most or at least very many people can agree on one thing... the issues. For one, police brutality and excessive use of force. Maybe drop making it always a black issue and make it more a financial issue. Go after the criminal justice system in general. There are way too many people...black people esp and other in jail in this country... and plus if reform of the criminal justice system, drug laws, etc... actually got changed... plus jobs in this country... plus reform of how the police act, solved. Let's at least work in the right direction. Maybe take the momentum of this when people are actually listening in the right direction.. not the opposite. But you know no one will listen. Of course not.

 

I understand that and trust me, I'm all for that.

I will state- I think the cop should have not been able to shoot and kill that kid.

However, when a LEO commands you... you have to listen. Every parent should teach their kids... listen, obey, don't ask questions, don't talk and call a lawyer and sort it out later. Esp parents of black kids.

I learned that first hand. Many moons ago- a bar..an ex as bartender, he was hitting on some young 15 year old looking chick and I got in it with him because his predatory behavior... his punk ass actually called the cops on me. I lived two blocks away. Cops came. Told me to leave. I walked out. Said I'd go home... They told me to get in the car (meanly)... I basically asked if I was being arrested or if they could drive me home-that I lived two blocks away... I was told get in the CAR!!!!...asked again... and next thing I know I had seven, yes seven...and I'm a female btw who wasn't being aggressive, just questioning, and I'm white btw. Let's say it this way... I ended up kicking a cop cars window from the inside and pepper sprayed twice... oh and don't forget the felony charge of felony assault on a police officer. Apparently I kicked one in the nuts. (hahaha it was bogus and got reduced to disorderly conduct)...but what did it stem from? Because seven fucking big men cops tackled me to the ground yelling at me... pinning me with their knees.. taunting me with the cuffs...

They roughed me up BAD. The only reason that charge went from felony to summary (like traffic) was because I could afford and got a good lawyer. I had bruises all over me. I dreamed of taking out a lawsuit on those bitch ass pussy cops and talked to my lawyer about it... I was told it would be a waste of money...that I wouldn't win. And thank God he told me that. I had used that lawyer a few times so he's golden. It's a shame though. I was like I have pics... and he was like... but no, it's their word against yours BUT he said I WILL get this dropped because a drunk girl and SEVEN FUCKING COPS DOING THAT...THAT IS BS.

dude was PISSED. and he did it. Know why? It was a BOGUS fucking charge and I hate cops

But don't make it all about race without looking into why we are being told to do so. What are the issues that make young black men more susceptible to these things with the police? yea it's the police but its also jobs... drugs in their neighborhoods... it's people who can't get non violent felonies removed (like me)...it's so many things. But to take a person who ...god, there are so many other better examples of REAL police brutality.... USE ONE. But I'm telling you, that is not what they want.

Go shut down a parade and torch BLACK RUN BUSINESSES. YES...people will listen to you now.

Get together is more like it but...dense. And like PR.. I blame the media for a lot of it.

 

I mentioned this earlier in the thread. The incident itself was just the trigger for social unrest. We need to be looking for the root causes.

 

Okay I think we are on the same page.

Look at the big picture, not the kid. Yes.

And btw that story that happened to me with the police had a point and I lost it in the telling of it... it was that I learned after that that I should have just got in the fucking car and asked questions later and people need to learn that and teach their kids that. Police was going to be how they are. Nobody will win. That was my point and how I learned that...and these kids run around acting like they don't have to listen.. just listen, then lawyer up, like I did (afterwards).

 

Exactly, never ever fuck with the cops. I was never assaulted by the cops but once they did try to goad me into provoking an assault.
After a very illegal 'stop and frisk' a little weed was found in my possession. I was cuffed and the two beat cops were escorting me downtown I was even more shocked and incensed when as they were escorting me they approached this bum who was drinking a beer from a paper bag. First they made him pour out the beer then for no reason smashed his radio on the ground. Then they started saying smart-ass shit to me like "So, is it good shit?". Just as I spat back " you should know!" I noticed we were about to enter a long dark pedestrian tunnel that went under a RR bridge. I suddenly had visions of them having their way with me so I dummied up real quick. Scary shit. I was booked and held overnight but the next day I marched my ass right up to the prosecutors office and screamed prejudice... the charge was dropped.

 

I think I forgot to say (some know my story, some new people may not..that in all that, the felony that got dropped for felony assault on a police officer was because I kicked one in the balls. Hahaha. Do I remember it? No. Do I doubt it? Not really. It could be a lie. One of those cops stalked me after. After it got dropped...hahaha, losers. But yea, apparently when I was down on the ground being roughed up for questioning before I got in the car, I kicked. Shrugs. If it happened... he deserved it..and I'll tell you why... I had flashbacks to gang rapes that I was never at... if that even makes sense. Every dirty male hand that ever touched me was on me all at once and it was anxiety producing.

Gong... them trying to induce an assault.. they do that shit. I don't doubt for a minute that they want it. They are bullies and they are thugs.

But here is the thing we all have to remember...THEY WORK FOR US.

THAT IS HOW WE WILL WIN.

I tried to positive your last post but I've reached my quota.. but yea, that's what they do.

The only cop I know personally was a bully in high school that called me a lesbian in high school.. in a homophobia, backwards school (that is now reformed...lol... and has a heroin epidemic), and punched me in the chest in science class. Bully and a thug.

Not all cops are bad but bad people typically are attracted to that system and those that go in for good reasons often get taught bad things.

 

Can I say this here? I'm so happy to be back here. Things have been stressful lately and I kinda feel like this is my other home. It's nice to talk to you guys... you're all awesome. (thank youi i love you guys).

Now, to be on topic-who has the agenda for this? A bunch of people? What is the agenda? That is where the problem lies. Coordination. Too many different agendas. Some went to correct the police state. Some (blacks, ahem), want it to be all black people aren't listened to or respected. Okay, true at times. But then you go and torch black ran businesses. I see the potential for serious change in this. I really do. But not if people keep shooting themselves in the foot. Organize even more than now. What is wanted? Don't ask hotwater. Ask almost anyone else who thinks this whole situation needs fixed.. plan it out...sigh.

 

so I've been watching some footage filmed by regular peope of the "riot" and I've become convinced the media has really overhyped this. I watched a video of the wal greens catching on fire. The whole video was mostly people walking around being nice to each other. You see a couple of idiots run by with tvs. Then all of a sudden the wal greens is on fire. The camera person is standing on the corner by wal greens and she turns the camera towards it and...there are like 5 people standing in the parking lot. You expect to see a mob of angry black people but nope..wal greens was burned down by a couple of people.

the citizens' videos I've seen on YouTube really in no way resemble how that night was portrayed by the media. Riots do make for good ratings.

 

As long as we believe that punishment or incarceration is the most reasonable reaction to perceived bad behavior, that people may be justly forced to comply, then that long we will live with unjust brutality. Guilt is a fatal attraction.

 

I don't find that surprising at all. I'm sure the media is milking this for every last drop it can get but.....it makes me wonder what the hell all of those cops and national guard troops are doing besides standing around. That many cops and troops and a few are just torching buildings with impunity? Maybe someone else is trying to fuel these riots to make the protesters look bad.

 

He leaned over the counter, Which is a zone in any store that crosses a line of stealing and robbery. Also didn't help he shoved an old lady while doing so and the store owner. If you are stealing in the state of iowa and they confront you, And you push, Move, Touch them in any way, Its now robbery.

The thing that still gets me, Just watch cops and listen. Don't really watch the show, The audio is enough to show what the police are taught and how they almost ALL act. It might be we are innocent until proven guilty, But when was the last time you herd police take a criminal peacefully and hash it out later on? Or anyone for that matter?
They jump out ready to kill/beat/spray/dogs etc instead of finding out the problem and the person(s) involved. Most are drunks though and you cant reason, Talk to or get anything straight with a drunk. Then they will think they are going against their will, When they are too drunk to know all the problems they are causing themselves.
This opens the door for the cops to be as violent as they want, Add alcohol and more cops show up, As mentioned 7 on a woman, And are justified in their actions you allowed them.

They are crooked as hell and better off as mentioned 'go with the flow' and hire a good lawyer. 2/3's of the tickets and infractions written are total BS but get paid because of the 'their word against mine' thinking. If the cop does show up, Hes not going to remember and or its easy to throw a zinger to them as they cant 'recall' the incident. If that's true, There was no 'incident' bad enough to warrant a citation and or jail time.
Just go with the flow and hire a lawyer. And hope there is not a media camera around you to spin it like you are Charlie Manson's right hand. You have a better chance at doing the crime, Going peacefully and explaining you're side and omit certain details, And walk away with no time.
The only time cops 'question' you, Is when they are waiting for YOU to dig you're own hole and spill the beans. Keep mouth shut and or lawyer only and you will walk out of the place.

 

Most poor people can't afford a lawyer.

Edit to say...sure...they tell you that you have a right to a lawyer and if you can't afford one, one will be provided but the financial threshold for free representation means you have to be damn near homeless to qualify and even when you do qualify....many times you will get a lawyer who doesn't give a shit one way or the other.

 

The presumption of innocence applies to the judicial system, not the police.

 

And in addition to that....the police do influence the judiciary in ways that are usually unknown and unchallenged. For instance, when you get pulled over by the cops....they give you a ticket, have you sign it and let you leave. They stay behind on the side of the road for a few minutes. What are they doing? Well...one of the things they do is write notes on the back of their copy of the ticket for the judge to see. If you had a bad attitude, the cop suspected something, etc.....the judge gets to know that without you knowing that is the case. Since you don't know what's on the back of the ticket...you can't challenge it or explain it. If that isn't law enforcement being in bed with the judiciary...I don't know what is. Both groups depend on your guilt to fund their existence.

 

Guaranteeing the presumption of innocence extends beyond the judicial system. Profiling is obviously based largely upon presumption of guilt.

 

how much do you want to bet he was buddies with the cops?

 

yeah there is. it's in the video. he stole a box of cigarillos, and at least assaulted one store employee. he may have assaulted another too, but it was off camera.

what the cop says is not infallible at all. however, none of the physical evidence contradicts his version of events, and the eyewitness testimony is mixed


this is why we need body cams on cops.