Consciousness, A Discussion

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, Oct 3, 2015.

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  1. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    No, People can clearly observe time. It may be skewed and interpolated wrong but any state of consciousness is observing and processing some degree of time. Time is not just a measurement between moments. Time is literally movement which is energy. Time energy and movement are all a very real thing, they are all aspects of the same thing and neither exist without the other. Consciousness at light speed can not exist, anything at that speed has no internal clock because all energy-time-movement is being used in linear forward movement at light speed. Time exists in the space medium wherein objects are traveling at light speed, because light speed is movement is energy is time. Eight minutes to the sun...
     
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  3. guerillabedlam

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    Lol @ calling a video featuring preeminent physicists and cosmologists such as Brian Greene and Max Tegmark "clueless information". I hope you at least have a degree in physics to be saying that...

    The now slice in "time-as-a-loaf-of-bread" is clearly an analogy.
     
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  5. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    Then it may be faster than light .

    Making social language of it though is oh so plasmic slow . I suspect the chronicly persistent thinking with
    words even when alone ... oh , I lose my thought ... oops there it go like an basteroid arking through mind-space ...
    ... I am suspicious of a philosophy that dictates all conciousness be orderly .

    Conciousness , I say , is a wholeness of mind and fully extended relationally .

    All of life speaks .
    Life is kind .
    The more you love the more you can know .
     
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  7. Monkey Boy

    Monkey Boy Senior Member

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    To guerillabedlam: Aging is change and time is a measurement of that change, but time isn't something in a of itself.
     
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  9. guerillabedlam

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    I'm in agreement with the video neonspectraltoast posted. Aging takes place in space which is inextricably connected to time, from our experience.
     
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  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Time can not be experienced except as a succession of thoughts. In dreamless sleep there are no thought successions and so it can not be experienced.

    When had a thought, we have a thought, we will have another thought. Past, present, future. However the thought of a past or future thought always occurs as a present experience or thought. Further, a past thought has vanished forever and doesn't exist and a future thought never arrives and so never exists. Both the past and present thought exist only in the present thought of them. But without a past or future the concept of the present, in relation to the past and future, can not exist either.

    But consciousness always exists.

    Now objectively we measure the passage of time by observing movement of some object, but we can only do this based on our present memory of the objects past position. Without present memory time could not be determined as no past movement of an object could be known.

    If I think of an object's present position, that thought has already past and a new thought must arise to realize the conscious thought of the past position of that object. The present position is never known to present conscious thought but only to a present conscious thought of the past present position of that object through a present conscious memory of the thought of its past present location. Memory of the past position, in the present, is needed for motion to be observed.

    But as the present is constantly fading away, the past present position is never really known to the present conscious thought either as a new present conscious thought is in turn itself always needed to recognize that past present thought of the previous past present thought of the location of the object.

    And so on ad infinitum and consciousness continues.

    I think that made sense.​
     
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  13. guerillabedlam

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    That notion can be extended further to say time is experienced in any succession of words, therefore you do not need a succession of thoughts to experience time, you just need A thought to experience time.
     
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  15. tikoo

    tikoo Senior Member

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    How are we at play , conciously , with time ?
     
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  17. neonspectraltoast

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    I have no idea if this is true or not, but best sentence ever.
     
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  19. guerillabedlam

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    Is this question for me or general question?

    If general I'll pass, if you're asking me maybe you can elaborate so I can understand better, what it is you're asking. :)
     
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  21. relaxxx

    relaxxx Senior Member

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    Is that a fact is it? How do you figure? Where's your proof? Where do you get your information from, Theresa Caputo? She's a REAL PSYCHIC MEDIUM!

    Right, and all the bread I've ever eaten is still in my cupboard because entropy is also an illusion and everything is one big frozen holographic turd plate...

    Sorry folks but i call em' like I see em' and I see some unsubstantiated bull crap here there that just refuses to get cleaned up.
     
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  23. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Well that was what I was trying to illustrate!

    I'll get back to it, I have to go now.
     
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  25. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    I thought that many people on this forum consider the "off" switch to be death. If you're arguing that it also turns off during dreamless sleep, then you're equating dreamless sleep with death. I would say it's the death of your ego's self reflection, but it's not the death of your organism. Consciousness is more an essential aspect of your being than a simple function in the brain.
     
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  27. ChinaCatSunflower02

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    I would agree. This still has nothing to do with the fact that consciousness is still operating in "lower tier" animals and children.
     
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  29. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    But something within you is still deciphering the difference between "blankness" and dreaming. Therefore, Consciousness is the backdrop in the same way that space is the backdrop to notice whether there is matter present or not.

    And regarding the first part of your response, you're just reaffirming that Consciousness is operating in all shapes and sizes of organisms at all times, despite the state of their brain development. Whether you have self-awareness or not, just as in dreamless sleep, Consciousness is happening. To say that a baby doesn't have consciousness is absurd, correct? Correct.
     
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  31. guerillabedlam

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    Self-consciousness is a part of consciousness is it not?
     
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  33. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Yes, the key word being a part.
     
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  35. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    Where's your proof that the brain creates Consciousness? Not your Scientific Theory, your proof.
     
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  37. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    How can you say this is a FACT with a straight face when the very concept of Time itself is dependent on your Consciousness and awareness of it? Awareness is primary.
     
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  39. ChinaCatSunflower02

    ChinaCatSunflower02 Senior Member

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    So you are literally arguing that Time is dependent on your perception of it, depending on waking and dreaming states.
     
    ChinaCatSunflower02, Oct 12, 2015
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