Communist party USA

If you're talking about Communism as a form of government imposed upon those who are not willing participants, then it Authoritarianism fits. In the form of a commune or small village where all residents participate by choice, and are free to leave, with somewhere more suitable to reside is allowed to exist, is a different matter entirely.

Neither do you, as I was just having fun too, but without need to distort facts.

I might add that some of my neighbors sport a Red flag with a gold hammer and sickle at the front of their house, and we as a village are probably as close to being Communist in the true sense as possible, but we don't have anything provided us free by the government. Essentially everyone can find work enough to feed their family, and we chip in to do any work needed in our village or forfeit the equivalent of a days wages in lieu, which is accumulated to purchase any needs of the village, like a new water pump for our community well, which currently is dry. Luckily I have my own well, as do most of the neighbors.

 

I'm talking about Communism as of yet unpracticed. Conjecture. No one knows what you'd get in America. The greed of the [former] spoiled capitalists would be quite a thing to overcome. Lenin realized a similar sort of problem in Russia but dealt with it badly.

Distort facts? Did I even use any?

Btw, I have roasted and brewed coffee in aluminum saucepans. Quite tasty, takes some extra time. But once you realize that you no longer need an iPod, you will just love the 20-hour work week.

 

Soviet flag is a symbol of forced communism, that's what lenin was all about. Just force em long enough, and they'll like it

That everyone can find work enough to make it has NOTHING to do with communism, that is a symptom of failed capitalism, or of leninist communism. Real communism would mean everyone lives at the same level. You would not own a water pump, everyone would own that pump, and all the others, too.

The dry town well while individuals with wells are fine, despite having ruined the well for those who do NOT have a well, is pretty standard of leninist communism, too. A project like a pump to show how functional the system is, and how you let no one go short, but no water to pump with it..... Luckily YOU and some others have your OWN wells......

 

So we would just have to take your word that what you're talking about without revealing the details would work to the satisfaction of all?

I was referring only to my own posts.

I prefer stainless steel to aluminum. Actually I don't have an IPOD or any apple products, and I would not at all love increasing my work week by 20 hours.

 

The Soviet flag is not what I was referring to.

If everyone being able to find work adequate to provide their needs is a symptom of failed capitalism, what would you claim to be a symptom of successful capitalism?

We DO all own the community water pump, but the wells we dug ourselves on our own property belong to the individuals who dug them and purchased the pumps or buckets used to obtain water from them. And the community well is not dry because of the shallow wells which had been dug long before the deep well was sunk. You're making assumptions which are incorrect.

It is lucky that I and others have wells as we freely share water with those who lack one, or those with a dry well.

 

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I would say Im more like groucho-

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Oh, okay, another flag in soviet colours with soviet insignia. Totally different.

You said "Essentially everyone can find work enough to feed their family, and we chip in to do any work needed..." Which makes it clear that there is more than a small divide. Does it matter that the poor can technically leave, if logistically, they can't without risking their very lives, which those a few social rungs up would not? Feeding their family is not the extent of needs, it's the beginning.

Oh, so it's like communism, they have the communal well and you have your own, because you have the upper hand in the system, and are not about to give it up for the sake of communal equality.

You're making incorrect assumptions about my assumptions. The well is obviously dry because of misuse or over-use, or simply a bad well. So it's existence, for whatever reason, no matter how many pumps you buy it, means NOTHING at all, it just gives you a "community" talking point.

It is lucky that there is a well. It is not lucky that you profess to own it and dole out water. At least not so long as you profess to be remotely communist.

 

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Yes. it is quite different.

You didn't answer my question.

Nearly everyone here has their own well except for the most recent inhabitants who until the community well ran dry didn't find a need to dig one. Mine happens to be 5-6 meters deep which is adequate to provide our own needs when necessary. Everyone here is a private property owner, and free to share what they like with whom they like. No one ever lacks water totally, just sometimes they have to wait for the well to refill to draw more water. You appear quite resentful of our situation, while no one here is at all. What would you do differently were you a member of our community?

Our community well is a deep drilled well, and due to several reasons, natural, beyond our control happens to be inadequate at the moment. We have plans to resolve the problem in the future and that IS a "community" talking point. For what reason do you view everything obnoxiously?

Actually it's not really 'lucky' but only rationally responsible that may of us who have lived here since the village was first settled have wells. Water is a necessity, and hand dug wells are a rational solution. I don't profess to be communist, although a few here may, but we are quite free from controls of government and taxes. We might be seen to be more of a 'free market' capitalistic democratic society comprised of sovereign individuals who govern their own lives much more so than what is found in the so called developed world.

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Main topic Bump.

 

That's because you asked a question that was presented as a rebuttal to what I said, but that was not really.

You said that every one could find work enough to feed their family. I pointed out that people seeking work for bare subsistence is a symptom of a failed capitalist system.

Then, you switched your (or rather, other community member's) position, at least implicitly, and asked if everyone had work that could provide for their needs, what the symptoms of a successful capitalist system would be.

Clearly, this means that to you, feeding one's family is the only expectation that anybody should have in a successful family situation. Medicine, transportation, wells for one's own dependable source of potable water, leisure time in which to do anything except work for a subsistence diet, etc, are beyond reasonable expectations in your idea of a functional free market capitalist society.

 

The only problem with revolutions is that there is always another tyrant ready to step in and take control once his most threatening enemies have been laid aside. Liberty is always short lived once the people begin to submit to a government.

 

I guess I am actually a member but I have never paid any dues. I was contacted once by phone by the head of our region. I seriously considered paying dues and living as an American Communist.

 

I agree. There as never been a case of Communism working with the theories originally created. This is because people get greedy and can't stand the equal ground of their neighbor. I dont think the USA will ever be able to practice.

PS: I love your signature with all the beautiful cats.

 

The whole theory is flawed due to being based on a false premise, a classless society, which ignores the increasing differences between individual humans, which cannot be eliminated, but reduced only by means of force. Therefore communism is unachievable and socialism imposed by a governing class is the terminal point on the path to achieving communism, which then results in another form of class struggle to throw off the bonds of government.

Perhaps those who exercise envy of those who are more able and capable needs to be taken into consideration also?

Practice what? Socialism, Communism? It would appear that the more government tends to impose socialist practices on the governed, gladly accepted by those who benefit from them, the greater the consequences grow for those yet born to pay for them.

Both socialism and communism are ideals whose theories are practical within groups who support them fully, in other words people who are more or less equal to begin with. Such is the reason that different societies came into existence in the first place. People leave to better their lives, and others are forced out because they refuse to contribute to the society in which they live. That is natural, government is not.

 

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I thing that you will find this ideas much more attractive than communism

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/

 

In my opinion, communism is the worst form of government. It oppresses the people of all their freedoms on so many levels it makes me sick. In my opinion most of the time the government does not know what is best for me, that is for me to decide on my own as a human being

 

Communism only works well on a very small scale where each of the members of the society accept it and are free to leave it when or if it becomes unacceptable. On a large scale, socialism is all that can be achieved, and even that requires force and imposition by those who govern, and when it allows no exit to those who find it unacceptable the government must apply greater force or risk a revolution. No form of centralized government is capable of making the best decisions, or decisions acceptable to all in a large and diverse population.

 

I see your username suits your stupidity.

Communism:
Communism is a world community of humanity in which all classes and class distinctions have been overcome; all systems and relations of exploitation abolished; all oppressive social institutions and relations of social inequality,
like racial discrimination and the domination of women by men, put an end to; and all oppressive and backward ideas and values cast off. Communist society will be guided by the principle of “from each according to their ability,to each according to their needs.” There will be a shared material wealth, and people, together, will hold society’s
resources in common and act as caretakers of the planet. In communist society, there will no longer be a state that enforces the rule of one class over another, though there will be forms of government to coordinate the common affairs of society.

Communism has never exsisted you think communism is in cuba,north korea,china,.... But it's not not every single country that claimed that it was communistic didin't have any symphtons of real communism that was written in an communist manifesto. The point of communism is that its utopian unleas we make communes and put people with same ideology in one commune and we will see how this thing work out.

Summit: communism can only work in an small commune.