Climate Change Still Denied?

So... you're actually claiming that it's only a theory that added CO2 traps more heat? Wow. In any halfway decent chemistry lab, the difference can be measured to a high degree of accuracy. Did you get a passing grade in high school chemistry?

 

Did I say that or argue that? No I did not, what I said is yes they have been on the rise yet temps have not correlated to that rise.

And yes I did and have a degree in Criminal Justice and Poly Sci to go with my passing chemistry grade.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Oh, you didn't say that it's not true, you're just arguing that you don't believe it's true in practice?

It's true, but we should assume that it's not true as it relates to the environment, because money.

It's a fucking fact of physics - but I haven't seen it in this particular place!

Turn your brain on, that's disingenuous.




I'm going to assume you're just lying anyway - every time I look up a point given by a global warming denier, I learn it's a bold-faced lie - you'll have to excuse me but it's gotten boring.

 

Chickenshit. Get off the fence and take a position on the basic question. Does CO2 trap heat, or not?

I shouldn't really have to spell this out for adults with a decent education, but I will, because some thread readers may be younger. All anybody has to do to prove the concept is get two identical sealed glass containers, one of them with extra CO2 inside. Put a thermometer in each, and put them side by side in a window that gets direct sun. Watch the temperatures go up and down, when you open and close the blinds. The tank with more CO2 will get hotter.

Global weather patterns are much more complex and are impacted by more different things in the short run. Changes from one factor are not going to immediately obvious, at least not to the extent that they can be in a simple experiment.

 

Ok Bill Nye explain to me why earth's temps have not risen.

There is no position to take, I never said CO2 has not increased, what I said was earth has not gotten warmer. That is proven scientific fact.

 

You fail to see the fact that earth has not gotten hotter since 1995. I am not saying that NOAA is. But it does not fit into your agenda so let's just call it a lie.

 

Stop. Fucking. Lying.

And like she said, get out of here with that chickenshit position - does CO2 or does CO2 not trap heat? Your post implies that you're disputing this, but avoids stating it, so that you can always revert to saying that you never said that.

If CO2 traps heat, it traps heat - it's exactly the same no matter where it does it.

This is a really simple if-then situation. Does it trap heat? Yes. Is there more of it in the atmosphere? Yes. Is the atmosphere trapping more heat than it was? Yes.

And in addition to that, is this cycle increasing? Yes, the atmosphere is becoming saturated at an increasing rate as the oceans become saturated and lose the concentration gradient and solubility situation that was helping to offset rising levels.

 

The oceans are not getting warmer? Sea levels are not rising? Glaciers and polar ice caps are not melting? Are you living in a cave?

 

Even if we focus exclusively on global surface temperatures, Cowtan and Way,(2013) shows that when we account for temperatures across the entire globe (including the Arctic, which is the part of the planet warming fastest), the global surface warming trend for 1997–2012 is approximately 0.11 to 0.12°C per decade.

As I asked before what does almost constant mean? Obviously it does not mean constant and there has been in fact a net rise in global temperature during the period in question. It is legitimate to question to ask why doesn't the temperature rise as fast in proportion to the rise in co2 but the answer involves a multitude of contributing factors like the difference in time it takes to heat water as opposed to air. A simple analogy to demonstrate the point is if you take an ice cube out of the freezer it takes time for the ice cube to melt and part of that ambient rise in temperature is consumed in melting the ice.On a global scale melting ice caps add cold water to warmer ocean. The rhythm of the entire planet is geological in pace, the rhythm of mans activities are measured in single lifetimes.The temperate will continue to rise and it's pace will accelerate as cold storage cycles are dissipated.

 

the earth has gotten increasingly warmer since the start of the industrial revolution.

 

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What people on here fail to see and want to believe in so bad is that man is causing all of this. The earth has cycles and warms and cools, the sun also has cycles. I am not saying man had not contributed to warming but earth's overall temps have been on the rise for over 100 years now. Can you blame man for the rise in 1910? No, but you want to put the blame on man now and not look at the bigger picture?

 

Has the temps on earth risen since 1995?

 

The temp increase actually started before that.

 

So you deny that the ice caps are melting?
Wildlife is suffering, etc?
How sad...that this is really a debate amongst humans.

politically driven and Al Gore hatred driven.....imo

 

Yes, I refer you to post 30.

 

funny, I've seen plenty of pictures showing an obvious shrinkage of ice caps.

also, the industrial revolution started before 1910.

 

I know it did, that was just a year that I had picked.

 

The upward trend markedly increased recently, i.e. since the start of the industrial revolution.

 

Yes. We've been making CO2 for a long time.

Also, volcano activity, sunspot activity, and other natural things that go in cycles have temporary impact. None of them prevent CO2 from trapping heat, or prevent humans from producing more.

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