Black Lives Matter Accused Of Tying Up And Torturing Disabled Man

You are very quick to get defensive. I am saying clean up your own backyard and stop pointing fingers. Putting blame elsewhere. Can't blame all white people for something that happened 400 years ago. Shit, I would help clean up neighbourhoods. I have gone out picking up garbage, needles in parks. What is your point with numbers? I thought I was not suppose to talk about Toronto? Didn't you say that before? Shall I give details to all your numbers and check that they are accurate? Break them down to ethnicity? 165 unsolved crimes involving guns in Toronto, what is your point? There are a lot of unsolved crimes not involving guns. You have a chip. Not sure why?

Yes BLM has come to Toronto, you know because they are oppressed in Toronto and black slavery was not in Canada, this was where they escaped too. Indentured servants who paid off passage existed and that was what a lot of white people did to start a new life. That would be for a specific term, Funny thing is a woman could not vote or graduate university or vote here til I think the 1920s. I am not bitching about it. Any man could, regardless of skin colour. Things are pretty good. More than 50 percent of my city was not born in Canada.

Thing is, I think approximately 18 or 24percent of young people in Toronto age 18-24 can not find work, it is high, close to one in 4. when new immigrants come to Toronto they have trouble finding work too, If we cant keep those already living here in work and jobs, what success can new people coming in have? Can't just create jobs, an income, work. It is just going to create displeasure, anger, frustration. I wonder how this will end. Things are going to burst.

 

Yes I understand where you are coming from and completely relate, .. . And hjust to add, I have no problems with you rambling. I quite enjoyed reading it. By the way, I ramble too sometimes. . *lol* I just see BLM differently than you do. .

 

my stats are off the Toronto police services board website

you call it a chip...I call it common sense......your agenda here has switched to spread garbage about a group of black people...

you keep mentioning things that have zero to do with blm or the crime we are discussing so I refuted some of it

no one gives one flying fuck that you picked up needles....why are you telling us all this crap about you?...it belonged in your intro thread..

...you too are pretty goddamned quick to get defensive.....what with your ''oops my bad'' catty clawed comment to telling me I have a chip

take your hate speech up to trethewey drive and see what happens


your side of this debate was so handily destroyed with facts and common knowledge that's its a joke

 

I will be willing to bet you morph girl have never set foot on trethewey drive or woolner or shopped for groceries at jane and finch....you don't have the ''perspective'' required to judge blm

 

If there would be a BLM movement in my country I might have some of the same feelings as Morphgirl. Maybe she hasn't given the idea much thought that just because they are active in both countries and she doesn't acknowledge the purpose of it in her own (although there is one just like here in the netherlands, just not to the same degree as in the USA), it is not really useful to act like it is the same in american areas like Chicago, Detroit, downtown Los angeles etc. etc.

 

This from a person living on a fucking island away from everyone and everything. Miles away from where I live. You obviously have no idea of the things I have seen or the places I have been. Lol. I suppose you hung out at jane and finch.? You clearly do not even know where the worst areas of the city are. You failed to mention Woburn area. Regent park use to be pretty bad, they are moving it out though and tearing it down. Moss park, to which you probably have no idea where it is located. James town you probably don't know where that is. You have issues. Toronto is bigger than Jane and finch. Lol. If that is all you know of Toronto you need to get out more. Yep you definitely have a chip. Go look at a map lol

 

ASMO, I have been to the Netherlands many times, and I admire and respect the way your country does things. The way people who want to stay must understand your laws, learn the language... etc... you guys know that for assimilation to work the people have to communicate and understhe laws you expect to uphold, you have to be able to communicate and make sure people can. After ww2 I think your country made some changes to make sure that sort of thing did not happen again. The hate directed at people for their differences.

 

We're not in an immigrant thread What has above post to do with BLM or the 4 people in the OP.

Just because there is far less need to have a BLM movement here doesn't mean there are issues with racial profiling, discrimination against blacks on the job market and other more trivial matters (like the one where black people rally against the st. Nicolas tradition of black Pete). There are groups organizing here as well to work about those issues. They get ridiculed and properly criticized when making a big national issue about something personal (feel offended by black Pete) but they don't get completely rendered as bogus or invalid or as only haters... except by fanatics of course. Who are so afraid these organisations/groups are given too much credit that they feel they have a valid reason to exaggerage things like that. I acknowledge their concerns, but not their way how they go about it. Same with yours and 6-eyed. It is dubious

 

Yes I remember black Pete.... funny thing is the kids love black peet more than sinter klaas. And no we are not in an immigrant thread. Seems some people take exception to facts I put out there. Doesn't make me racist. I see a big problem arising here. I see racism in this group and just because it is a black organization it doesn't make it none racist. From what I know it is, from what I have seen it is and doesn't change the fact that I feel BLM is partially responsible for what has happened to that young man being tortured.

 

They're only indirectly responsible, like an artist who made a song that inspired some person to kill someone (or themselves). Yes, their words and message and how it got placed in the media has inspired the 4 blacks in the happening that started this thread. Does that make them directly responsible? NO, only indirectly at best. And it definitely doesn't make the whole organisation illegitmate, invalid, racist or dubious (yes, my word, not yours ). But that seems what people like you and 6-eyed are on about. It is what others are reacting against here. Otherwise this thread might have died 2 pages earlier

Read that post you liked of 6-eyed with all those sources. Check the feedback on 2 of those points by Meliai and me. Do we have no point at all?

 

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I stated before that I felt they were civilly responsible, not criminally. That if I were the young mans parents I would be filing a civil lawsuit against BLM.

Just to add, I know that there is a shortage of housing in the Netherlands as well. Same thing with my city, No more room and they are only building up now. Your government is building housing for ethnic groups and people who can't find housing are saying, hey what about me. Legal squats, squatters... There is a problem. I don't know the solution to it, but it is everywhere

 

they aren't bad neighborhoods....they are good neighborhoods

my sons mom lives a block from Wolburn collegiate...


only a racist would call it a bad neighborhood....a poorly misinformed white privileged joke of a human being would actually believe that without going there

 

Still doesn't make the whole organisation invalid or illegitimate at the core. And what does indirectly or civilly responsible means exactly in consequences? Do they lose their legitmate points and reason why they came to be because they are civilly or indirectly responsible for inspiring this nasty action by 4 other blacks?

Actions like that remind me about Ozzy and the parents of a fan of him who went about it the same way after their son killed themselves (they were convinced it was because a song about suicide). Not saying it is precisely comparable, no worries. The keypoint is that an indirect responsibility or involvement is something far different than direct responsibility or involvement. Also in this matter.

 

Lol. Read read read. Jane and finch you hang out at? Woburn is a high crime area and has a lot of low income housing. Did I say bad areas? I said worst... high crime and people living in or below the poverty line. You deny this? You talk of jane and finch like you know something of it. Is this your area you hang out? Your knowledge astounds me.

How about malvern, lets no forget there. let's not forget there and I know Woburn collegiate, I worked while in college at a restaurant right at ellesmere and Markham. Lol.

 

You are ignoring most good critical points and reactions being made and react only to the ones you can discredit easily, or the trivial parts of mine so you can give a cozy chatty response. Although nothing wrong by default with the latter 2 (spending a reaction to a more trivial aspect of the convo of how well the netherlands supposedly deals with immigrants, and discredting rollinallongs assumption), why do the first? If you care about this topic there's no good reason to ignore that.

 

Actions like that reminds me of when the keys to the kkk headquarters were handed over to a black woman and a 7 million dollar settlement. Racism is not ok in any form. Hit them where it hurts and cripple the racist group financially. I have maintained civilly responsible. I said it was not about a hashtag.

 

Since it has already been established that these kids were wannabe gangsta thugs and largely apolitical I would more likely point to the Torture Sketch on 36 Chambers by the Wu Tang Clan in which they laugh while talking about torturing someone rather than blaming it on Black Lives Matter.

About the violence and looting during the Black Lives Matter protests I think these lyrics from a 20 year old Sublime song really spell it out:

"April 29th, 1992,
There was a riot on the streets,
Tell me where were you?
You were sitting at home watching TV,
While I was participating in some anarchy,

"First spot we hit was my liquor store,
I finally got all that alcohol that I couldn't afford,
With red lights flashin, time to retire,
And we turned that liquor store into a structure fire,

"Next stop we hit was the music shop,
It only took one brick to make that window drop,
We finally got our own PA,
Where do you think I got this guitar you're hearing today,"

Jumping ahead to the end of the song:

"They said it was for the black man,
They said it was for the Mexican,
Not the white man,

"But if you look at the streets,it wasn't about Rodney King,
It's this fucked up situation and these fucked up police,
It's about coming up and staying on top,
It's about screaming 1-8-7 on a motherfuckin cop,

"It's not written in the paper, it's written on the wall,"

The point is that looters and rioters are not protesters. They are opportunist thugs. I know this as I have seen it first hand.

You could replace Rodney King, with Oscar Grant, Michael Brown, Tamir Rice or any other black person who gets gunned down by a police officer and the cop either walks or gets a slap on the wrist and it is the same thing.

C/S,
Rev J

 

Ahhh so many memories of being a dorky 12 year old white girl and screaming "1 8 7 on a motherfucking cop!" right along with the song lol

Great point, also.

 

I almost used Ozomatli lyrics they replaced the lines about sitting home watching TV with, "While you were sitting at home watching Ricky Lake, I was dropping bombs on chief Darryl Gates."

Among my friends it was:

"I got my headlights turned off,
I got my shotgun sawed off,
Got my stereo pumpin,
Gonna shoot me somethin,

"Fuck the police!
For Rodney King,
Fuck the police!
For my dead homies,

"Cop killer!
Better you than me,
Cop killer!
Fuck police brutality,

"Cop killer!
Leave them bleedin,
Cop killer!
I don't get mad I get even"

C/S,
Rev J

 

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First of all it has not been established. I will try to keep this simple and on topic. This is getting away from issues once you start brining in complete unrelated songs.

Let's look at the anti trump rally orgamized by BLM where fuck Donald trump was first said and 1st amendment rights of Donald trump were denied by BLM in Chicago. This is when and where fuck Donald trump was first really pushed when he was there to speak. Spread that Donald trump is a white supremest, that all supporters of Donald trump are racist. Just because you say it has been established this does not make it so. These 4 were not "just thugs". They were followers of a false belief propagated by BLM. You for some odd reason want to support a group that spews out lies and false information. i don't get it. Supporters of trump in fear of their lives had to say they were not trump supporters in order to escape peacefully.

Secondly BLM could be found guilty should the state decide to charge them with inciting violence and hatred. There is a precident for this in the USA. While your first amendment rights are inforced, let's not forget the case of Brandenburg v. Ohio 1969 Supreme Court ruling that inciting violence or crime through a speech you can be found responsible of a crime. Written documents too. Inciting violence is a crime. I believe there is strong evidence against blm

Thirdly, Michael brown, the guy who robbed a store and savagely beat the store clerk, ended up shot. good role model there for the black community.

Tamir rice, a kid who had a fake gun that looked real, had the orange safety removed from it and was pointing it at people and children in a park. Reached for the gun he had to aim at cops and was shot for it. Sad event, one which I am sure those officers feel terrible about. That does not make black people a target by cops. There is a law against what he did. Video evidence released showed this and that cops reacted accordingly, feeling the threat. I am sure the cops felt terrible about it.

If anything this is a reason for fake replica guns to be Illegal. They are used to committing crimes as they look real. I am not saying this young kid had the gun for this reason, I do not know what he was thinking other than it is funny to scare people and feeling the power of a potential weapon. It is not and the results of this were far reaching. This was not a racist target by cops on a black person. To use it as such is again propagating a myth. It could have been anyone of any colour.

Forth, your wu tang clan song reference , argument is weak at best.

Fifth, BLM has intentionally caused 4 people to react to false statements of a perceived enemy.

Lastly, where is my prize? Lol*