Black Lives Matter Accused Of Tying Up And Torturing Disabled Man

The point of using the article was to give one possible explanation as to why police wren't called sooner.

Since I'm done with this pointless circular conversation I will continue to comment and offer my viewpoints agree with them or not I really don't give a fuck.

That said I'm going to kick another hornets nest. Let's look at the events that happened before Jordan Hill picked up Austin:

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20170115/news/170119245/

This to me brings up the prickly subject of police culpability. In my opinion and rough estimation if 6 police officers had done their fucking jobs this wouldn't have happened. Hill was pulled over 3 times in 3 different stolen cars, and in at least one of the incidents there was an open bottle of alcohol. The law states that even if the open bottle belongs to the passenger the driver is to be arrested on site and the car is to be towed.

While I don't blame the police for this incident just as I don't blame Black Lives Matter the question has to be asked why weren't the cops doing their jobs in this situation?

Given the police situation in Chicago I'm not about to suspect fear of Black Lives Matter.

I really don't have an answer for this question but to me it just adds another layer to an already complex case.

C/S,
Rev J

 

I will try to keep this short, if that is possible. Lol

No one fact checks. Everything you read has to be fact checked. Especially in today's world where by everything on the internet is not checked. Groups use it to get young people to join them. Tell lies and mislead people to serve their own needs.

So much poor reporting and inaccurate statements by people with a following and influence in communities. These myths that are propagated cause anger and hatred. When I saw the article about kitty and read it, it infuriated me. It was all lies, twisted fucked up lie designed to lessen someone's lack of compassion, lack of empathy. It is infuriating that this was considered good reporting. I actually know someone who lived in one of those 38 windows. For that gay man to call the police in 1964, he was terrified. Absolutely terrified, not just of the person committing the crime but of the police, but he made the call. Let's blame this on a syndrome... perps become the one to cry for?

I watched the video in it entirety only because it was the only piece of truth out there. I cried watching it. Closed my eyes and just listened. It was sickening. That is the only piece of truth out there with regards to this. Washing it away and trying to make sense of this with oh it is a syndrome, it is a white guy so it is not racism, diverting attention away from the crime and using this crime to promote your own cause, your own agenda is really lame.

I would like it if i did not have to keep checking everything everyone says. I wish people would check for themselves instead of just running with it.

I did not say you were wrong, the article you referenced was falsely reporting something and you and others believe it to possibly be true, leaning more to the true side. Explaining away the events. People are influenced. Really I am glad in a way that you posted the link to it. It is the perfect example of a big problem,

As for the cops not arresting hill. New Year's Eve, things are going to get crazy for crimes this night, No alcohol consumed but a bottle in the back of a car that the seal has been cracked but the alcohol has not been consumed is the least of their concerns on this night. Confiscate the bottle and move on. So they let that go. Drunk drivers on the roads this night is a concern, crimes... etc. The kid whose car was first taken, he had his cell phone taken from him just as Austin did and was threatened. This is why the car was not reported stolen. When the police called the kid, he said it was fine. Said that out of fear. He was threatened by hill. Conclusion: This means more police are needed?

I am sure Austin drank that night, smoked, etc. Self medicating is common for people with certain conditions. This does not mean he doesn't have compassion for others. It does not make Him responsible for what happened to him. I am just waiting for that to be suggested by the media, organizations and people.

His family said he is the kind of person who will do anything for anyone. Is very kind. If was not just 5 hour, he was beaten up in the van too, I believe this wrestling match was more him defending himself and then he was jumped on by the group, tied up... etc. He even says sorry to them for his hands not being tied tight enough. When he got his hands loose. Hit for that too.

These are facts. The only facts that people who reported on this should be looking at. The media will try to turn a victim into a criminal in this. They always do.

Oh my goodness, poor white people... that is equivalent to saying white people do not matter. Don't have compassion for white people.., He is white.

Then blame a racist attack, committed by black adults on Donald trump and white supremacy. If they did not ecist, this would not have happened.

How about we blame obama and BLM for racist acts committed on black people by white people? If They did not exist, this would not have happened.

Two sides of the same coin.

So much for keeping it short. Lol

 

Well, you are blaming BLM. Thats what this whole thread is about

And yet no one has been able to prove a connection

 

Would have been much easier if you just answered his question. You didn't because he was too denigrating/derogatory to you yet you react to his next post in great detail... Curious.

 

I don't think you get it.

If a white person sings a kkk song, repeats Shit from their website that are lies and inaccurate... beats a black person ... scream racist slurs. Is the kkk partially responsible? Of course they are.

Did you know that in a civil suit a black woman was handed the keys and deed to land of the kkk headquarters?

If I were his family I would be looking at possible civil lawsuits and BLM would be on the list for their anti white rhetoric that was repeated by these racists.

 

So the perpetrators were singing songs and stating quotes directly from their website in the video?

 

I wouldn't say no one fact checks. Lots of people do. About the rest of the quote, yes that happens and people who seem convinced BLM has no legitimacy at all seem to be the victims you're talking about. Like OP, who also was certain that the hacking during the american elections had nothing to do with Russia. I wonder where he gets his news...

 

They repeated .. made statements that were propagated by BLM and their website. In their own words but repeated all the same.

Serious, how many 18 year old truly follows politics? I bet if you asked them what Donald trumps platform was they would have no clue. Just as if you ask an 18 year old what obamas platforms was they would have no clue. This is not what 18 year olds talk about, It is not what is talked about in most homes.

Where do you think it came from?

Back to the pussy and birthday threads.

 

I dont know because i dont know what they said. I cant watch people being tortured. what did they say?

 

There is nothing on the BLM website that promotes violence against anyone. There is nothing on the website that dehumanizes other races of people in order to implant the suggestion in one's head that he/she should physically attack a person of another race. If the idea that black people in this country are victimized causes some black people to lash out against people of other races, it is not BLM's fault for acknowledging said victimization.


You can't force a history of violence upon BLM. BLM is still in its infancy. It's still up to the people to decide what it's going to stand for. It's quite racist to suggest that a majority of its black constituents have decided it stands for violence.

The comparison to the KKK is more like this: If four white people dressed in klan outfits picked up a black person and took him out to eat at a five star restaurant and later took him on a pleasure cruise, would that make KKK non-violent and non-racist? Because you're taking a handful of people that disagree with an organizations' modus operandi and suggesting that they represent the entire group. A handful of people committing violence under the guise of BLM doesn't make BLM violent any more than a handful of people helping out African Americans under the guise of the KKK makes them peaceful.

 

Why?

 

What do Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Unicorns, and completely objective humans all have in common?

They don't exist.

That said even if you don't fact check everything you read it can be fairly easy to find an angle or agenda.

After numerous accidental openings of the first post on my touch screen phone I noticed that the video link came from the website Blue Lives Matter.

Quit reading for a second and let that sink in.

I'm not an anti police person by any stretch of the imagination. That said a pro police website is going to have a slant against an anti police brutality organization. How they interpret facts etc is going to be biased against people who are speaking out against them.

I know it is impossible to fact check everything and that is why Media Matters and Snopes exist. Even at that you can read the same story from different sites with different perspectives and see what they all have in common and get a fairly accurate account.

In looking at this case I looked at CBS,ABC,NBC, CNN, the local Fox affiliate, Time, International Socialist Workers sites, Hip Hop sites, numerous YouTube reaction videos etc. I'm sure that I've forgotten some.

You don't need to be as obsessive as I was. You only need to read about 3 or 4 articles and remember that your sources are going to be biased and know their biases.

C/S,
Rev J

 

You serious?

Because there's no evidence for that. Nobody has taken a census of black people involved in BLM on whether or not they think it stands for violence. So it seems very racist to me to just assume that most of them feel it justifies violence in some way, like black people just like any excuse to be violent.

I just think BLM is an outlet for black people who feel victimized. If it isn't called BLM, it's going to be the same thing with a different name. There's no point in calling it something else. And yeah, anytime you have a group that represents people who feel victimized, people with loose associations to that group will likely become hostile. But there's no point in dismantling a group or labeling it a hate group every time that happens. Black lives matter is a real issue that our society has to face one way or another.

 

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That was certainly enlightening!

 

Perhaps you will figure it out. Commenting on something you never listened to. Interesting. That question was asked before. So I was giving you a circle. Are you capable of reading?

 

I know the question was asked before, a few times, and you didnt answer it, hence why I asked again..

Anyways yes I am commenting on something I have not seen, I mentioned earlier in this thread i cant stand to see humans in pain so wont be watching it. But a couple of people who did watch it were nice enough to tell me there was no mention of BLM in it.


I THINK, but cant be sure because you didnt answer me, that you're making some sort of connection between the mention of Donald Trump in the video and BLM. You dont think they're old enough to be aware of Donald Trump, therefore must be influenced by something BLM said, is that it?

 

Well I suggest you go back and read through again.
Read the BLM website.
Listen don't watch, since you can't stand to see it.

Ooops sorry, I can't help you. You pretend to be beyond it.

 

I have read the BLM website, but again didnt interpret it the same way as you.

I dont need your help, sweetie. I am just trying to better understand your point of view. You havent communicated very effectively and whenever anyone pushes you for a clearer explanation you either shut down and get defensive or ramble about something unrelated.

You were asked a very pointed question - why do you feel this is connected to BLM?

It deserves a clear and pointed answer, not a lengthy diatribe about an unrelated killing that happened in the 60s, and a lot of platitudes about lies and fact checking.

If you are so keen on facts, just answer the question clearly and concisely with facts.

Or not, it doesnt really matter either way

 

Clearly not. I have had to direct you.. oops sorry, my bad... yes they do need to fact check. Yes they are misleading and inaccurate. Yes they do blame Donald trump and white supremast for everything. People blindly follow. As for you deserving something? I don't owe you anything sweety. Ooops sorry to break the news to you. Neither does the world.