Bible Questions?

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  1. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Slavery has already been discussed you do you bring it up again? :rolleyes:
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Could it be that you have a vested interest in trying to discredit the Bible? :D
     
  3. thedope

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    Could it be that you have a vested interest in defending your beliefs about the bible?
     
  4. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Wouldn't the numerous synonymous titles suggest otherwise?

    Why then, too, will Jesus be called the "Everlasting Father"? Isn't only YHWH called Father?

    Furthermore, Genesis 2 states that YHWH made man, but Colossians 1:15-16 says that all things were created by Jesus (I believe one translation inserts "other" into this verse). Doesn't this indicate that YHWH and Jesus are equal to each other in nature?
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    Why yes, yes I do why do you ask? :D
     
  6. OlderWaterBrother

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    Numerous synonymous titles? Which ones did you have in mind?

    There are only a few "titles" that apply only to YHWH such as almighty and The Alpha and the Omega. most of the others depend on the context.

    Why is YHWH called father? Because is the originator of life.

    Why is Jesus called father? Because Jesus Christ replaces, in effect, the original Adam as our father, or life-giver. That is why in the Bible Jesus is called “the last Adam.” (1 Corinthians 15:45) So instead of being condemned to die as children of the sinner Adam, obedient humans may be reckoned worthy to receive everlasting life as children of their “Eternal Father,” Jesus Christ.—Isaiah 9:6.

    Jesus was the first born of all creation, after that YHWH used his first born to create everything else.

    Much like a general contractor can say he built the house when he did no actual construction but contracted the job out but still had oversight of the project and maintained quality control.
     
  7. thedope

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    I noticed you were making connections that reflect beliefs and are not in fact stated in the text.
     
  8. Rudenoodle

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    There just questions, why are you developing some doubt? :D
     
  9. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    Well...God, First and Last, Everlasting Father, Mighty God, Holy One, Everlasting/Eternal light.

    So Creation was outsourced?

    I think this is the farthest you've stretched. Where does it say that YHWH only oversaw creation, but did not actually take part?
     
  10. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    After Samson killed 1000 men with the jawbone of an ass, he was thirsty. So God created and filled a hollow in the very same jawbone and put water in it for Samson to drink.

    However when asking for this miracle Samson ponders the possibility of the most gruesome of fates, that apparently being to fall into the hands of uncircumcised men...

    Judges

    15:17 And it came to pass, when he had made an end of speaking, that he cast away the jawbone out of his hand, and called that place Ramathlehi.

    15:18 And he was sore athirst, and called on the LORD, and said, Thou hast given this great deliverance into the hand of thy servant: and now shall I die for thirst, and fall into the hand of the uncircumcised?

    What is the ultimate reasoning in the bibles mentioning of penis's and the mutilation of them?

    Also,

    According to these verses, Saul was killed by an Amalekite. But Saul killed all the Amalekites (except for Agag who Samuel hacked to death) as God commanded in 1 Sam.15:3, so how could he later be killed by one?

    15:3 Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.

    15:7 And Saul smote the Amalekites from Havilah until thou comest to Shur, that is over against Egypt.

    15:7-26)"Saul ... destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword."

    15:8 And he took Agag the king of the Amalekites alive, and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.

    Samuel

    1:8 And he said unto me, Who art thou? And I answered him, I am an Amalekite. (1:8-10) "I am an Amalekite."
    How did Saul die?
    But Saul killed all the Amaleks (except for Agag who Samuel hacked to death) as God commanded in 1 Sam.15:3, so how could he later be killed by one?

    1:9 He said unto me again, Stand, I pray thee, upon me, and slay me: for anguish is come upon me, because my life is yet whole in me.
    1:10 So I stood upon him, and slew him, because I was sure that he could not live after that he was fallen: and I took the crown that was upon his head, and the bracelet that was on his arm, and have brought them hither unto my lord.
     
  11. thedope

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    The bible has no agenda but the men who wrote it did. This is a cultural practice. It is an attempt to enslave the loyalties of men. Culture is based on taboo and idol worship. You are forbidden to eat pigs but there is in fact no natural prohibition on pig eating. At the same time you are encouraged to make blood sacrifice at the altar. In both instances it is a squandering of the living spirit. They serve as a way to distinguish tribal loyalties from one another. They do not distinguish us in the presence of God.
     
  12. JusSumguy

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    Oh, how cute. You made a funny. You equate a defensive (reactive) statement with an offensive (proactive) attack?

    Grow up. Anybody is allowed to defend their position from an unprovoked, and relentless series of attacks.

    Defending oneself doesn't mean that they're beliefs make them open game for further, and childish attacks.

    If someone attacked you by suggesting to you something like..... Ummm, I dunno..... Something like.... "The way you talk makes it painfully obvious that you're just a child. And if you're not, you surly have no college education. Prolly not even a high school grad."...... Would you feel the need to defend yourself from that? :)


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  13. Rudenoodle

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    What was the attack, last I checked they were just questions...:rolleyes:
     
  14. thedope

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    What attack? Minds cannot attack other minds, they can only commune.
     
  15. sathead

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    But what do bookworms do? Do you believe in ostricisation?
     
  16. thedope

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    If you mean ostracism, no, nor do I take any other oaths.
    I know that the recognition of truth dispels illusion.
     
  17. Rudenoodle

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    What exactly is the "evil eye" and how can it be detected in an individual?

    Proverbs 23

    23:6 Eat thou not the bread of him that hath an evil eye, neither desire thou his dainty meats:

    Furthermore, what would be his "dainty meats" and if it is to be symbolic of dining in general why also mention bread?
     
  18. honeyfugle

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    The "evil eye" is probably [SIZE=-1]not the best tra[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nslatio[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n for this sort of phrase i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n the moder[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n age. It is a lo[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng disused phrase.
    [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]It is talki[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng about wealth, a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd how wealth ca[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n become a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n evil whe[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n used i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n evil i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nte[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nt. Words like miserly, sti[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ngy come i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nto play with it... it's [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]not to do with the physical appearance[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] of the eye, or a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nythi[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng to do with di[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ni[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng.

    Basically what the Bible is sayi[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] is that we should [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]not have greed or e[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nvy for what a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nother perso[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n has, [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nor should we "worship" mo[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ney a[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd the pursuit of riches.

    As fas as I have fou[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nd, the term "evil eye" is i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n the Ki[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ng James Versio[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n of the Bible o[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nly, although it is probably i[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n other tra[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nslatio[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]ns of the time, which leads me to thi[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]nk that this was just the era's expressio[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n for a stingy, miserly perso[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]n.[/SIZE]
     
  19. I was thinking about this passage:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

    So in the beginning was the word God. I'm not sure what "and the Word was with God" means necessarily. But what does that mean, exactly? The word God came up at some point in human civilization -- is that occurrence being referred to as "the beginning"? Were the Jews describing the beginning of their faith? If so, what do they mean by the word was "with God"?

    Because just the word brings up the question "What is God?" And somehow everyone knows what is meant by that. It must be something. Can it ultimately be reduced to the same thing as "wonder"? Is God just wonder? You can't really tell, so you're left wondering.
     
  20. thedope

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    The suspicious eye of the one who offers delicacies to win your favor.
     
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