Bible Questions?

No worries, OWB.
The poster above got extremely angry with me because i said what i observe most men , particularly in younger ages, really think about the subject that was most lately being discussed under this thread.
But agreed, this is off topic to begin with.
And I have nothing further to contribute.

 

Thanks guys, sorry you got into it.

Let's get back to Bible questions.

 

I don't think so. Cynicsm comes from the Greek root for "dog", referring to the fact that the original Cynics rejected everything smacking of civilization and lived like animals, or dogs. This whole thread would be enough to make any thinking person cynical about human intelligence, or at least Christian intelligence. The stuff about women should be an embarrassment to us all. I agree, we should end it here, so non-believers don't find further confirmation of their notions about Christians.

 

No problem OWB.
I am too popular these days, what can be done?

Take care and see you on other threads

:cheers2:

 

Who is the First and the Last?

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation 1:8&version=NIV
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, saith the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1:17-18&version=NIV
And when I had seen him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying: Fear not. I am the First and the Last, And alive, and was dead, and behold I am living for ever and ever, and have the keys of death and of hell.

(Quotations from the Douay-Rheims Bible)

I base this question on the hypothesis that Alpha and Omega are essentially poetic synonyms for First and Last.

 

The Alpha and Omega are always God, whereas First and Last is sometimes said of Jesus in a limited sense. So, even though Alpha and Omega and First and Last carry a similar thought and meaning, they are not the same.

 

Alpha and Omega in every metaphorical instance is best defined as "whole truth".
Being is one thing.

Heaven and earth shall pass away but my words shal remain.

 

Oops..... Sorry.


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Not a problem.

 

The Alpha and Omega are used as a title three times in the book of Revelation. An additional occurrence is found in the King James rendering of Revelation 1:11, however but is not well supported and is, therefore, omitted in many modern translations.

The title is not particularly metaphorical and is never defined as "whole truth".

 

It is by definition a metaphorical title and I just presented you with a definition.
Belief here is making the obvious seem obscure.

 

You presented me with a definition?

Great, next time try working on the definition being for the thing being defined, that what would make it a little more helpful.

Alpha and Omega in every metaphorical instance is best defined as "whole truth"?

Alpha and Omega is not best defined as "whole truth" and in fact is never defined as "whole truth", in fact you may be the only one who has ever defined it that way. Whereas being the only one to define it that way doesn't necessarily make it wrong, it does though mean the burden to prove it so, is yours.

Here are the three times it is used in the Bible:
(Revelation 1:8) "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."

(Revelation 21:6) He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life.

(Revelation 22:13) I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.

None of which give the impression that "whole truth" is the best definition of the title Alpha and the Omega and in fact the scripture at Revelation 22:13 seems to say it's talking about God's eternal existence and that no one came before him and no one will come after him.

So please show how from these three scripture, you can define Alpha and the Omega as the "whole truth".

 

In every instance it is said, I am. this is a declaration of being. Then the title Alpha and Omega is defined as all inclusive. I am the reality of being, the whole truth.

 

Actually the "I am" is a mistranslation, one of those unrealities that you say is confusing everyone.

Then the title Alpha and Omega is defined as all inclusive?

Maybe that's the way you define it but that didn't come from the Scriptures. Would you like to try again?

 

Why is Jesus called the Amen in Revelations?

 

Again, who is, who was, and who is to come, = all inclusive.

Scriptures do not define. Scriptures are written symbols that require interpretation. A word is meaningless absent its' experiential conjugations.

Evidence for I am being a miss translation?

 

Amen=
So be it. It is so. What is so equals truth. Consistent with the definition I am pointing to.

 

(2 Corinthians 1:19-20) For the Son of God, Christ Jesus, who was preached among YOU through us, that is, through me and Sil·va′nus and Timothy, did not become Yes and yet No, but Yes has become Yes in his case. For no matter how many the promises of God are, they have become Yes by means of him. Therefore also through him is the “Amen” [said] to God for glory through us.

 

Thanks. I'll have to ponder this a bit.

Thanks dope.

 

Hope it helps.