Bible Questions?

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  1. def zeppelin

    def zeppelin All connected

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    God also created free will and the ability to ignore temptations.

    Ya can have a hell on earth. This is true, but it can also be avoided. This would be true whether or not God existed. We create the hell when we sin.

    It's actually very simple, not complicated. God didn't make our lives miserable. We do this by choosing to ignore his healthful and helpful message. We can make this choice at any moment.

    The hell one creates when they badmouth their parents is a much different hell than the hell created by those that murder, rape, steal from poor, et al.

    Also, it's important to note that some people don't even realize that they are in hell until they actually leave it to see what they were missing.

    There have been hitman for the Mafia that went from murdering people to changing their ways and becoming charitable and being sorry for their sins. These people, at the moment, realize that they never want to go to that world ever again.
     
  2. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."
    Leviticus 11:6

    Whats the deal with hating bunnies?
     
  3. def zeppelin

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    Well, to be fair, it doesn't use the word 'hate', it uses the word 'unclean'. It says that it is unclean unto those that eat them. Probably because there are healthier meals available :p It's discussing which animals not to consume.
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No.

    No, it doesn't and after the sin of Adam and Eve, the sacrifice was not avoidable.
     
  5. neodude1212

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    Well, to be truthful, we don't create anything. God created it.
    God also created the things that he "doesn't want us to do" also.
    And one has to ask, why? Just so we can be faced with choices and be tempted? It makes little sense.
     
  6. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    What is the nature of Christ?

    But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace...
    (Ephesians 2:13-15)

    versus:

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
    (Matthew 5:17-19)

    I have heard the argument from some here who claim the bible does not preach of a literal hell of torment but what of the ones who will be "called least" into heaven?
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Is a manufacturer to be held accountable for the misuse of their products even when the instruction manual specifically instructs you not to?
     
  8. def zeppelin

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    Sometimes we don't even need the manual if we just use common sense.

    Do we really need to refer to the manual to understand that sticking a fork into a blender probably isn't a good idea?
     
  9. Rudenoodle

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    Do Christians believe morality can exist without the belief in Christ or god?
     
  10. neodude1212

    neodude1212 Senior Member

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    No, but manufacturers aren't all-powerful and all-knowing.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    I heard about two guys who picked up a running lawn mower and tried to trim a hedge with and when the obvious happened, they tried to sue the manufacturer because the instruction manual didn't say not to. :rolleyes:
     
  12. OlderWaterBrother

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    I can't speak for all Christian but I don't see why not.
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    The manufacturer that made you is and you choose not to follow his instruction manual, so should he be blamed for the mistakes you make?
     
  14. neodude1212

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    If my manufacturer is all-powerful and all-knowing, then I never had a choice to begin with.
    Additionally, there is no instruction manual.
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    That's why he gave you free will or are you still denying that so you don't have take responsibility for your actions?
    The Bible or are you denying that also.
     
  16. neodude1212

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    Without using words that suggest otherwise perspectives show a slack of character or irresponsibility, my understanding is that we are products of the world around us, and 100% completely subsceptible and influenced by God and the workings of God.



    The authors of the Bible may have made a valiant attempt to convey their individual understandings of the nature of God and what the most congruent way of behaving with the nature of God in mind is, but after thousands of years, countless translations through many languages, individuals in power with the power to subject the bible to their discrimination, the fact that there are as many interpretations of the Bible as there are people to read it, and with the reminder that it was humans with faults who wrote it in the first place, I am saying that the Bible or any one interpration of it may not be 100% accurate concerning God, nor is it likely that it is the one and only "manual" of God. I don't believe in "spiritual monopolies."
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Is that what you believe or is that what you think I believe?
    So you’re denying the Bible. I suppose that you like to think of yourself as Christian too.
     
  18. neodude1212

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    I said that it was my understanding.

    I'm not denying the Bible; the Bible is a very beneficial source of spiritual insight and worth. What I'm saying is that I don't take it to be the sole tool for understanding the nature of our world or that of God, as the term "manual" would indicate.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    So you really don’t believe in free will and feel everything is predestined?

    That would seem to indicate that the manufacturer has not left you without a manual after all.
     
  20. neodude1212

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    Yes

    I don't think there ever was a need for one.
     
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