Bible Questions?

Why do we have to glorify Jesus to glorify YHWH instead of just glorifying YHWH?

 

Just as an ambassador is honored because he represents the leader of his country, thus honoring the one who sent him, we honor Jesus because God sent him to represent him and now that Jesus has returned to heaven God has put him into a position of authority and so by honoring Jesus we honor the one that but him in that position. But that does not mean that we are to honor God any less but that we should honor God also by honoring Jesus and the position he now holds.

 

What does it mean then when Jesus says "I and the father are one" and "before Abraham I AM" in the Gospel of John?

 

Are we created sick and commanded to be well in christian mythology?

 

Seeing as there is no such thing as Christian mythology your question is meaningless.

 

sorry.....................



but my question to night comes from the cell i was at tonite and we were talking about how Jacob right? how was allowed by GOD to be tempted by Satan to be tempted so it was LEGAL for Satan to temp Jacob because he was being first protected by God...so my question is why do certain bad things had to poeple? like the Pastor whos a Evangelical and then admit being attacked by gay sexual demons? wouldn't he be protected by GOd from the start? their for satan had no Legal rights in attacking him?

 

I believe I have already answered this in this thread but here goes.

In the "I am" thing, people say that at John 8:58 Jesus was saying that he was god but he was answering the question; “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” Which is about how old he is not who he is and Jesus answered that existed before Abraham, not that he was God.

Now for the as for Jesus saying; "I and the father are one" let's let Jesus himself handle that one.
“I make request, not concerning these only, but also concerning those putting faith in me through their word; in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us, in order that the world may believe that you sent me forth. Also, I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one. (John 17:20-22)

 

There are several things at work here.

One, we need to realize that time and unforeseen circumstance befall us all. So just because we are Christians does not mean we can't fall down and break our leg. (Ecclesiastes 9:11)

Second, we need to realize that we live in a world that is under Satan's control, so Satan is pretty much free to do what he will with us, even throw us into prison or kill us. (1 John 5:19)

But if we put on the complete suit of spiritual armor, God has given us, God will not allow Satan to defeat us. (Ephesians 6:13-20)

 

I have a question and this is not to disrespect anyone who believes in it, But how can the passages in the bible be true, they were written before the understanding of science and the current logical explanations that tend to make sense. It was also written when most believed the world was flat and the sun revolved around earth.

 

No disrespect taken.

The answer is in who you think wrote the Bible.

You seem to believe that the Bible was written by men and so believe that since very little knowledge was available to them at the time of it's writing, the Bible has to be out of date and untrue.

But most of those who believe the Bible is true believe that it was authored by God. God by definition would have more knowledge about how things work than mankind, even now with all of mankind's "knowledge".

Interestingly the Bible describes the Earth as a circle, which in Hebrew has the sense of a globe, which is hung upon nothing. Which is a pretty apt description of the earth as seen from space. A little better description than saying it rides around on the backs of sea turtles, I would say.

 

In order to truly understand the bible would a mastery of the Hebrew language be a must?

In this respect to get the supposed prophecies and dietetic phrases as from the "horses mouth" instead of just vague translations from people who subtlety changed certain meaning's throughout time?

Is it true that anyone reading an English translated bible is in fact reading the interpretations of words and not the actual words themselves?

After all there are many people who believe that the bible tells them the world and universe was created in 7 days, according to the actual translation this is not true, however that does not change the fact that many credulous churches claim literal to the translated interpretation and wholly believe it to be fact.

if you are truly interested in the bible and thought it was the key to living and morality why would you not take the exhaustive amount of time that it would take to learn Hebrew?

Is it not important enough for you to ac cert the time to learn, would you feel more secure just taking someones word for the translated meanings than just translate them yourself?

 

1. no
2. you read this yourself and compared both first original translation and bible translation?

 

It would be nice but no it is not necessary.

For those who want to be Pharisaical about reading and understanding the Bible, yes a mastery of Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek would be necessary. But God does not require a Pharisaical understanding of the Bible. In fact Jesus indicated that trying to understand the Bible in such a way would be fruitless and would miss the point of the Bible. (Matthew 11:25)

That is the nature of any translation but one must realize that the ideas and concepts are what is important and you should not get hung up on words.

The fact that these people have not read the whole Bible is the problem, not translation error. If they had, as I mentioned earlier, read Hebrew the fourth chapter they would have seen that the seventh day was still continuing in Paul's day was thus longer than 24 hours.

Because as I pointed out in another thread, to truly understand the Bible you need to take the "exhaustive amount of time that it would take to learn" the language of the Truth, not Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

As I pointed out above, the important language one needs to learn is the Language of the Truth, not one of mankind's languages like Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek.

The only time any knowledge of Hebrew is really necessary is when someone is nitpicking the Bible and you are trying to show them that what they are saying doesn't apply but for those who are learning the Language of the Truth, such things rarely come up and even then for entirely different reasons.



Not to be insulting but most of what has been asked in this thread is spiritual baby food and does not even come close to touching the deep things of God. (Hebrews 5:11-14)

 

Excellent observation.

That's why those of us who study the Bible, study it alongside a "Strong's Concordance."

This nifty little tool will let you refer to the original text with any word or phrase in the bible.

Some of us have Greek Orthodox friends who help as well.

Credible would be a dubious description. Accepted by our corrupt government? Yes. I mean..... scientology got it's religion rating. Go figure.

I been trying to tell you bro, your problem is with the church. And you keep proving it with your denials. Can't you see?

No need to.... explained above.

Another good point, thank you ... This is why I do just that.

I would, in no way, put my soul in the hands of any man.


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Thanx.

The passage you highlighted definitely makes Jesus sound separate, but in the beginning of John it says, "the Logos was with God and the Logos was God...and the Logos became flesh"

So which is it?...or maybe both?

Also, Jesus refers to himself as "I am" when he was walking on water in John 16:20, and he saith to them, `I am [he], be not afraid;'

and..."Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I am [He], you will die in your sins." John 8:24

"He" in brakets was added by the translator.

Just thought that was interesting.

 

May I ask what this is supposed to mean?

 

Also...

"Before Abraham, I am". Present tense. Jesus "was not" before Abraham, Jesus is because he is transcendent and eternal.

Also, in John's Gospel, when they come to arrest Jesus in the garden, he says "I am he" and they move back and fall to the ground (apparently at the power of the Name).

 

Do you really believe this? Or are you just asking the question?

 

Do you really believe this?