Bible Questions?

Please bro... Your generalizing the scripture to make your argument.

Jesus was talking SPECIFICALLY about those that NEVER KNEW.

No, in fact I said the opposite. If they never knew of the Lord, yet lead a righteous life. They're good to go.

That's what Jesus said, anyway.

And, since you're a scholar, you should know that the correct translation would be "born from ABOVE." Again is an obvious mistranslation.

Untill they can understand the Lord and make decisions on their own, babies are covered.

God wants us to accept baptism in the full light, and knowledge of the Lord. Otherwise, what's the point?

I'll take that.... thanx.

Five types really.

1 Passion
2. Day in and day out study in my closet
3. Distancing myself from the controlling, authoritative nature of the modern church. Not the people.
4. Understanding that my soul is too important to put in the hands of ANY man.
5. Passion

Never been to Bible school. Never wrote a paper. Never took a test.

The burden comes from people. Not God. God makes it bearable, and even fun.

Without God, it would break my back.

I apologize for the dispersion.

Answered in another thread.


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I think you misunderstood me. I meant what type of experience negative experience did you have with Catholicism that made you turn away, not what experience you have in the study of Scripture? Or like what did you read that drove you away.

i am interested.

 

I started studying the Bible for myself. A few things raised my eyebrow, and my passion for getting to the bottom of things took it from there.

My first problem was the whole lack of Bible study thing.

Even in catechism. Things seemed wrong.

I attended one week of catechism and ditched the rest. Just didn't seem right to me, even at that young age.


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I think this is interesting because the more and more I study Scripture closely and realize that some of those in teaching positions do not fully understand the faith, the more and more i am drawn into the faith of the Roman Catholic Church.

 

What happened to all the people who used to believe in polytheistic religions, why did god choose to ignore these people if he is all loving?

 

Does the bible support slavery?

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, 'I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.' If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

 

God chose a certain people to begin revealing himself to. that would be the Ancient Hebrews.

Over time it evolved to include Gentiles and non-Jews (Christianity would be included with this).

Revelation isn't a "one shot" process, it is ongoing for humanity in general, and also personally.

 

Jesus' sacrifice has been called a ransom sacrifice, in other words mankind was, in a way, sold into sin and death by Adam and nothing that man could do would change that. In order to buy mankind back from sin and death, the price would be another perfect sinless man and he would have to use his perfect sinless life to buy mankind back from sin and death and that is what Jesus did. Thus by accepting Jesus' sacrifice, we acknowledge that purchase and become Jesus' children and are no longer considered to be Adams children.

Yes, because it follows the Bible principle; Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, a perfect life for a perfect life.

 

God has not ignored these people, they have been waiting in the common grave of mankind, while God has been working out his purposes to return the Earth to a paradise, at which time all those sleeping in death, the righteous and the unrighteous will be resurrected onto the paradise Earth and will be allowed to decided if they want to live forever on that paradise Earth.

 

It depends on what you mean by "Slavery". As I've said before, all Christians are to be Slaves of God and Christ and so, I must say yes, the Bible even recommends Slavery but if you are taking about the cruel "Slavery" that many think of when the word is used these days, I would say no the Bible does not recommend that kind of Slavery.

 

Yes it does.

Actually, No. Christians believe this cleansing is needed before God establishes the Paradise Earth and so for Christians the apocalypse is a little like a hard rain that makes the the Earth seem clean and fresh after it has pasted.

 

You're preachin to the choir there friend.

I choose to be a little more proactive. Battling ignorant preachers that center EVERY ONE OF THEIR SERMONS around money.

Seems their sermons always end up with a message like.

"So you see folks, God is telling us that the more we give, the more we get. So if you're poor, God can help with that."

And of course, the hat gets passed right after that.

Or the Bible thumper that uses fear to keep his flock in line. To me, that's seriously twisted.

I battle this stuff. I go around to churches and after a canned sermon, I'll go into the pastors office and scold them.

Another thing that burns my arse is the lazy pastor that buys all his sermons. Doesn't even know what he's saying. It's like a government job or something. Could they be any lazier?

Anyway....... We certainly agree on that.


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So your saying that passage is reffering to forcing indiginous people to worship the christian god and not toil in the the fields?

Unlikely.

What about this one.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

 

Rudy.... You are fast becoming my favorite person/tool. <-- I'll explain.

The questions you ask aren't disrespectful, yet they are always thought provoking. Sometimes silly, but always legitimate from your standpoint.

This makes a person see how weak and limited they're knowledge is about the Bible. They're not going to just answer you with some nursery rhyme childhood fable. They're going to READ THE BIBLE FOR THE ANSWER.

One of the things I preach about the most is the need to trust no man with your personal soul. Read the Bible, and understand it for yourself. Take charge of your own soul.

Your questions force people who are serious about Christianity to read the bible. Not just us few who enjoy this particular intercourse, but all the folks who just read it.

Currently counting close to 10,000 reads. That a lot of work, and I thank you for helping to further my particular cause.

I hope some day to meet you bro.


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No I was not talking about the scripture you cited but merely answering the the question, "Does the bible support slavery?"

As for the Scriptures you cite, Jesus when talking about divorce said this: “Out of regard for YOUR hardheartedness he wrote YOU this commandment." likewise God knew that mankind would engage in slavery and so made commandments to limit the cruelty of it when it arose.

 

Why not instead of "limiting the cruelty" of it, which I might add it does not do, why was it not simply stated in the bible not to own slaves?

As is precedent in todays society almost all slavery had been abolished and for the most part the world works fine without it.

By telling people the "humane" way to treat slaves does it not also then say that owning slaves is prohibited in the eyes of god?

Could the real answer not be that the bible was wrote by slave owners to be read to slaves?

To give hope to the hopeless and keep them that way, waiting for the day when they would supposedly be given justice (ironically after death) that has been witheld from them in this life?

I would have to say yes.

 

isn't their a passage that some couldn't pay off their debt so gods says to offer yourself as a slave?

 

The Slavery that you speak of is as far away from Biblical slavery as "Christians" are from true Christians.

 

The idea of owning another person to be passed on to one's heirs as property is abhorrent. Your attempt to whitewash slavery and the biblical endorsements of it is reminiscent of the antebellum southerners myth of the "happy darkies".

 

In Israelite society a person who became poor could sell himself or his children into slavery to care for his indebtedness. (Ex 21:7; Le 25:39, 47; 2Ki 4:1)

The Hebrew slave was to be released in the seventh year of his servitude or in the Jubilee year, depending upon which came first. During the time of his servitude the Hebrew slave was to be treated as a hired laborer. (Ex 21:2; Le 25:10; De 15:12)

When granting a Hebrew slave his freedom, the master was to give him a gift to assist him in getting a good start as a freedman. (De 15:13-15)