Bible Questions?

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  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    What a boring answer, wheres your imagination? :D
     
  2. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    It would depend on whether or not the aliens had 1) free will and 2) a sinful nature like most, if not all, Christians assume we have.

    If the aliens did not have free will, then it would be futile and we should re-examine whether or not we have free will either.

    Discerning whether or not they have a sinful nature is another problem. It is also a small problem of revolutionary creationists. When in our evolutionary line did we evolve, attain, or get infused with the image of God and a sinful nature? It is a mystery that will probably be unanswerable.

    I think it would also be safe to assume that if there was intelligent, free willed, sinful aliens somewhere out in the cosmos that God would have revealed himself to them in some way shape or form that would be in accordance with our own belief system in the varying Christian communities and Churches.

    In regard to your second question, I think their body of knowledge would add to our own. I do not see a disjoint between modern science and scriptural revelation, so any "natural revelation" would enhance our understanding of God and creation.
     
  3. Ukr-Cdn

    Ukr-Cdn Striving towards holiness

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    In response to John 6:63, I think what the gospel writer is getting at here with these words is that it is not logic/knowledge that will let humans understand what Jesus is asking of us earlier in the chapter, but supernatural faith.

    Jesus saying " You must eat my flesh, but it won't do you any good" makes no sense. IIn John 8:15–16 Jesus tells his opponents: "You judge according to the flesh, I judge no one. Yet even if I do judge, my judgment is true, for it is not I alone that judge, but I and he who sent me."

    Paul also writes "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). And "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). We do not just a remembrance of Christ's sacrifice, but it is Christ's sacrifice during the celebration of the Mass. For it to be truly Christ's sacrifice, we must believe that the consecrated bread and wine become literally Christ.

    Also, how can one eat mere bread and wine unworthily that God (implied, so if not accepted, the community) would negatively judge the person that does so.

    Again, john 6:63 says that following our flesh accomplishes nothing, but Jesus' flesh (his incarnation and sacrifice) accomplishes salvation for humanity.

    Logos in john 1 does not simply mean speech. While it is debatable what the Logos of St John refers to, I think it is safe to say that John does not simply refer to mere speech, but a philosophical concept more aligned with Philo's Logos (albeit distinct as well).
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Oh, sorry, I was asleep at the wheel. :D
     
  5. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Is it logical to thank god for anything good that happens to you day to day?

    If the answer is yes by the same reasoning is it logical to blame god for any short comings or negative experiences in your life?

    If god gets the thanks who gets the blame?
     
  6. JusSumguy

    JusSumguy Member

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    Yes

    No

    We thank God in all things.

    Hard bit to get behind at first though. If you hit your thumb with a hammer. PRAISE GOD.

    Real simple, really. Just hard to get it started.


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  7. Rudenoodle

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    Do you praise god for cancer also? :D
     
  8. JusSumguy

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    Yep..Specially for that. :D


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  9. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    how old is earth? 6000??


    i heard jack van impe say that b4 creation earth was 13 billion years old??
     
  10. Ukr-Cdn

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    It is logical, but not necessarily a causal relationship between God and our events.

    We have free will. Our decisions also affect what happens to us.
     
  11. JusSumguy

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    4.5 to 4.6 billion years. :)


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  12. Monkey Boy

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    My interpretation of this verse is Jesus wants his disciples to see him as Logos and not just a physical body. That's why he says "you have seen me and yet you do not believe" I interpret this as them not seeing his true nature.

    Why does Jesus repeat over and over again that his words give life and then all of a sudden say that his physical body gives life? In John 6:68 the desciples say "to whom shall we go you have the Words of eternal life" Interpreting his flesh and blood as his Logos/Word fits better with the rest of the Gospel imo.

    To me Christ is Logos. As Jesus says in John "Before Abraham I am" This sounds much more than physical to me.
     
  13. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    anyone? can figure earth age with the bible?
     
  14. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    The Bible says at Genesis 1:1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

    Thus the Earth is as old as the universe it's self, probably billions of years old.
     
  15. Rudenoodle

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    Is that the same reasoning the Phelps family uses to justify thank god for I.E.D signs?
     
  16. jmt

    jmt Ezekiel 25:17

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    how can it be billions of their was no sin? their for time isnt needed.....I thought it was 6 days to make earth?

    wouldn't time come to play once sin was created?
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    I think all of this was discussed in another thread, may be even this one or the evolution thread but anyway, this is the way I see it.

    The Bible says at Genesis 1:1 In [the] beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
    So that mean the earth is as old as the universe, perhaps billions of years old, the Bible doesn't really say.

    Then after that is the story of the preparation of the Earth for mankind to live on it and that would be the 7 "days of creation". After that the Bible gives some more details of those creative days.

    Some believe those "days" to be 24 hours long but Paul indicates in the 4th chapter of Hebrews, that the 7th day of creation continues down to his day and seeing as it still continues in our day that means that each creative day is probably over 6000 years long and thus the 7 "days" of creation probably total about 49,000 years.

    If you find the other discussion, you will find more details and that a number of others disagree with this but it seems to make sense to me.
     
  18. LSDMIKE

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    was it to die for our sins? why dont you help me understand Bro? do you think im evil or something?


    Why dose Bro think I'm evil?
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    No I don't think your evil, at least not yet. :D

    Actually, I must apologize, the question you asked is a little more complicated than a quick answer will cover and so I kind of told myself I would get back to it and kind of hoped someone else would answer it in the mean time but I forgot and no one else did, so sorry. :eek:

    Yes one of the reasons was to "die for our sins" but there is much more.

    I'll try to give you a better picture by the end of the week. ;)
     
  20. Rudenoodle

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    Does the bible speak of an unavoidable apocalypse in the future?
     
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