Bible Questions?

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  1. Rudenoodle

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    How many versions of the christian bible have there been?
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

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    One? ;)
     
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    7 hundred million 7 thousand and 7 Bibles have been found on Rainbow boulevard
     
  4. Rudenoodle

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    Are you implying that non christian gods are the work of Satan?
     
  5. OlderWaterBrother

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    No, I'm not implying.
     
  6. Rudenoodle

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    Does the bible claim that we originated from a single male and a single female?

    How is incest looked upon in the bible?
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Yes.

    Incest was against the Mosaic Law. The Bible really does not say why there was no law against it before that or why it was then prohibited by the law. Some assume the law against incest was because of being farther away from perfection there was much more danger from inherited abnormalities.
     
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    If we originated through massive inbreeding as claimed by the bible how did the original humans manage to avoid severe birth defects after say the third or fourth generation?

    How old does the bible claim human kind is?
     
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    If Adam and Eve had remained perfect there would have never been any birth defects, because their children would have been perfect also. Now because there were no serious birth defects in the first several generations, it is assumed that because those generations where closer to the perfection that Adam and Eve once had, there was less chance of birth defects. But as mankind got farther away from that perfection birth defects got more prevalent and thus it became more important to avoid relations with close relatives.
    About 5000 years.
     
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    Does the bible mention dinosaurs?

    Is the bible to be taken as literal and infallible?
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Not that I know of.

    In cases where the Bible is just stating facts then yes it should taken as literal but in the cases of parables and prophecy not so much.

    As for infallible, when it was originally written down in the original languages, I would have to say yes but I think that God has not allowed the Bible we have today to have stayed from the truth so far that we can not still get the truth from it.
     
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    Can a list of biblical facts be produced?


    Does the bible consider vicarious punishment and redemption to be a moral act?

    I.e,

    If I were to willingly accept punishment for a crime you had committed would that truly absolve you of responsibility for your actions?
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

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    I would imagine so, although I know of none, except for in the Bible itself. For instance both Matthew and Luke produced lists of Jesus’ lineage which were merely lists of Biblical facts.

    Very tricky question, I can see this is not your first rodeo.

    I could see where a government could allow such a thing. Where someone could take your punishment in your stead, it would not make you guiltless but it would make it so you didn’t have to pay the penalty and I could see this as being a moral act.
     
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    Anatomically modern humans first appear in the fossil record in Africa about 195,000 years ago, and studies of molecular biology give evidence that the approximate time of divergence from the common ancestor of all modern human populations was 200,000 years ago.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human

    According to the bible how can this be true?

    Is the bible directly opposed to science?
     
  15. OlderWaterBrother

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    According to the bible it’s not true.

    No but sometimes science is opposed to the Bible.
     
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    If everyone on Earth were to accept the Bible as fact from the moment of it's conception and live lives exactly according to what it preaches do you believe that civilization would be more or less technologically advanced?

    Does the bible preach intolerance toward homosexual lifestyles?
     
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    IMHO the biblical allegorical stories should not be taken literally, I'm not the only one who thinks this, the Jewish commentator Rashi said that and so do most Christian seminaries think and teach.

    The original Hebrew bible was written in Paleo Hebrew or Canaanite picturegraph language. This language is mostly symbolic language, by this I mean they did not have the language to explain what they knew so they used pictures to explain the story. For example the word for Babylon is interpolated into Bet, Alph, Bet, Yod, Lam, Nun,

    Bet is a house
    Alph is an Ox head
    Bet House
    Yod Hand
    Lan Sheapards Staff
    Nun a sprouted seed

    This means a city Two houses
    Alph Strong ruler
    Yod the hand of a craftsmen
    Lan Shepherds staff Means a sign of a ruler
    Nun a sprouted seed means a lineage or begining

    Hebrew is an non abstract language, unlike Greek or English that are abstract languages. Hebrew dose not use sound by symbols, the keeps the language tided to its original intent unlike the abstract languages. The meaning cannot change but the original language has its limitations.

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    So the original language used had many limitations, this is accepted by most biblical scholars.

    I read Hebrew in the Paleo script and some in Chaldean, . and I can say that there are many words in the original Paleo script that have different meaning in Chaldean and still different meaning in Greek and still different meaning in Latin and still different meaning in German and English. Yes some of the different interpolations are subtle but there are different.

    I know most Christians hold true and fast to the KJV, however again IMHO the KJV in not very reliable if I could not afford a good Torah my next choice would be the Geneva Bible. .
    The Septuagint translation from Chaldean to Greek is most likely the closes to the original Paleo Hebrew. However some of the words adopted like Adonoi or Elohim were clearly adopted in the Babylonian captivity and Greek occupation.
    These interpolations replaced the original Name YaHVaH or YaHVeH into the interpolations of Elohim and Adonoi. That's one, there are many more like
    hell, haties, sheoul etc.

    Peace
    Dan
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

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    Technologically advanced? An interesting question, it seems to carry with it the assumption the technology that we have now is an advancement.

    I guess I would have to say no, although I believe that mankind would have made in the same amount of time tremendous advances in human relations, advances that would make the technological advances that mankind has made seem meager in comparison.

    Also I believe that that mankind’s knowledge would be much more advanced than it is now, because instead of wasting time on things like evolution, much more time could have been spent on how things really work.

    Now a days, intolerance carries a sense of prejudice, but I will use it with the sense of not tolerating something without any sense of prejudice.

    With that in mind the Bible does in a way, teaches intolerance toward homosexual lifestyles.
    In your own personal life you should not tolerate homosexuality.
    Inside the Christian congregation, homosexuality should not be tolerated.
    But in the lives of those outside the Christian congregation and the lives of those who attend the Christian meetings but are not part of the Christian congregation the Bible teaches tolerance toward all. It is not the job of Christians to interfere in or judge the lifestyles of those outside the Christian congregation. As for those inside the Christian congregation, Christians should not care what kind of a lifestyle a Christian formerly led but concern themselves only with the life that he lives while part of the congregation.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    I guess I would have to ask what you consider to be “biblical allegorical stories”? If you believe the “story” of Adam and Eve to just be one of the “biblical allegorical stories”, well then IMHO; you, Rashi and what most “Christian” seminaries think and teach is wrong.
     
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    "In an abundance of water, the fool is thirsty" - Bob Marley
     
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