Bible Questions?

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  1. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    Whats up with all the different languages today?

    Who created them and why did they stop using Hebrew?
     
  2. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Gen 11:1-9 points out that God confused the language of man and from that point on there were many languages. Since true worshipers would have no reason to have their language confused, that is why it is assumed that Hebrew was not confused and was the original language of mankind.
     
  3. Rudenoodle

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    Why did he decide to make things more complicated on Earth?

    Does that mean the Hebrew language holds special significance over all other languages?

    That seems to me to be a bit elitist and in a way wholly unbelievable.
     
  4. Okiefreak

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    You had to ask! I'm surprised he didn't go into the Tower of Babel. Of course it's elitist. The Jews are God's chosen people. What could be more elitist than that? What I'd like to know is: How did the leopard get its spots?
     
  5. neodude1212

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    What is the sound of one hand clapping?
     
  6. Okiefreak

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    Exactly! And Who really is on first.
     
  7. OlderWaterBrother

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    Nimrod began building Babel in direct opposition to God’s command to spread out and fill the Earth. Some say it was also being built to show God that they could build a city so tall that they would be able to survive another flood. So the people were accomplishing “great things” in opposition to God. If today’s “civilization” is any indication of what mankind could have accomplished thousands of years ago if God had not confused the languages, mankind could very well have gone extinct thousands of years ago, instead of just being on the brink of it now.

    As I said it is assumed by some that Hebrew is the original language but the Bible does not say so. Myself I’m of the opinion that when God fragmented the original language that he gave pieces to each part of mankind and that in the paradise Earth God will join the languages back together into the original one language.

    As for being unbelievable, by now you must appreciate that there are a lot of people who don’t believe the Bible no matter what it says and as for being elitist, I guess in a way but after seeing the nation of Israel’s mistakes held up for all the world to see, it’s hard for me to see how elitist it was.
     
  8. OlderWaterBrother

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    That is a question each person has to answer for themselves.
     
  9. OlderWaterBrother

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    I thought everyone knew that.
     
  10. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    I thought god gave man free will to do so what he pleases?

    It would seem that god in this instance is hindering man from making his own choices.
     
  11. OlderWaterBrother

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    Free will allows you to make your own choices, not to do as you please. And choices always come with consequences some good some bad.

    God did not hinder them from making their choice but in this case that choice came with a bad consequence.
     
  12. Rudenoodle

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    Your statement is blatantly contradictory, It would seem that your path of logic is redundant and circular.

    Do you claim to know how existence came to be?

    Are you really so arrogant that you can't just say that you don't know how life and the universe came into existence?
     
  13. OlderWaterBrother

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    How so? Okay, let's say there is no God but there is still free will. If a person chooses to murder 20 people and after he has murder 10 he is captured by the police and is given life imprisonment in solitary confinement. He has freely chosen what he wants to do but now because of his choice he is no longer free to do as he pleases. Please note having free will, freedom of choice and doing as you please are not the same thing and saying so is not contradictory.

    I know what the Bible says about it and I believe what the Bible says.

    I beg your pardon, where did this come from?

    What is arrogant about knowing what the Bible says about this and believing the Bible?
     
  14. Okiefreak

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    I don't see anything arrogant about it, but why do you believe the Bible? It seems to me that that's the central issue. You've said before that it's passed a number of tests, but unless you can explain to us what those are, it would seem that the Bible is inferior to scientific explanations, because the scientists can explain what their tests are.
     
  15. Rudenoodle

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    But we are not talking about murder, we are talking about humans who (supposedly) just wanted to live together in a large city.

    If god gave them free will why would he care about what they did with it?

    Why not let the rest of his people of creation handle the details that way god is truly not interfering?
     
  16. OlderWaterBrother

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    That was just an illustration to show that free will and doing as you please are not the same thing. Once again free will just means you can choose to do anything you want but it does not mean that those choices do not have consequences, you can choose to commit suicide but you'll be giving up free will when you do so.

    No one said God wouldn't interfere, God's original purpose for the Earth is for man to live forever on it and if man is going to interfere with that by either making the Earth inhabitable or by causing mankind to go extinct then God will interfere.
     
  17. Rudenoodle

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    So what is your definition of free will?
     
  18. OlderWaterBrother

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    Actually, whether or not I ever tell what tests I used to prove to me that the Bible is true and the Word of God, does not in any way effect the truth of the Bible or whether the Bible is the Word of God or whether the Bible is inferior to scientific explanations.
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    This:
     
  20. Rudenoodle

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    So would you say god gives us free will but then uses intimidation tactics to restrict our use of it?

    Why offer free will if you won't allow everything to be prohibited in the eyes of god?

    Why can't humans punish themselves with the laws they decide to enforce why is it that god needs to intervene at all?
     
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