Bible Questions?

Yes, I'm quite serious, this line of questioning has already been asked and answered. How many times do I have to do some else's research?

You can take it any way you want, but that won't make it any less true.

Here I'm trying to answer the questions of three or four people in this thread alone and doing all my own research and you start getting bunchy because I don't want to repeat my research for a question that has already been asked and answered. If you are too lazy to pull up Google and see for your self, fine, assume I made it up and move on.

 

It isn't my research. It's your research. You are the one who says you have sources to prove this information. Ok, you got sources? Then show them!
It really isn't complicated at all. Why on earth would you expect someone else to go find sources to back up YOUR position? Particularly sources that you say you already have!

Last time you were asked to prove it was true, you failed.

:nopity:

It isn't about laziness. It's about the fact that you consistently refuse to provide evidence for what you spout off as "truth".

 

Not only that but that he insists he's already covered it in some earlier post that nobody can remember. A couple of days ago, I made a comment about royal brother-sister incest in ancient Egypt, and Rudenoodle asked me to provide links. My statement was based on what I "knew" from memory, but I had nothing better to back it up with than that. However, I did go out on the net, and came up with not the most impressive sources but at least a start, and suggested that Rudenoodle could take it from there. So I can understand OWB's reluctance to put a lot of energy into doing this research if he's already done it but can't come up with it off the top of his head. But I always go by the courtroom maxim "He who asserts must prove."

 

I'd ask him to link me but I'm sure that would be an unreasonable request.

 

What?

 

This taken from the Thread Jesus Christ pg 26 here’s a link:
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=345622&page=26

These are posts 252 & 253

J.Q. said:
. . . What did God tell you? That once upon a time ago He let people live to be 1000 years, then changed His mind because that was too long?

And the first person that lived to be 100 wasn't even born until the late 19th century dude. What are you even talking about right now? She just died 2 years ago. Where do you get your facts from? You just sound like some Bible enthusiast tossing his opinion all over the place with your main source of information being a book you have no reason to believe other than because you want it to be true.

To which I replied:
The first person that lived to be 100 wasn't even born until the late 19th century?

While the density of centenarians per capita was much less in ancient times than today, the data suggest that reaching the age of 100 was not impossible then.

Diogenes Laertius (c. 250) gives the earliest (or at least one of the earliest) references about (plausible centenarian) longevity given by a scientist, the astronomer Hipparchus of Nicea (c. 185 – c. 120 B.C.), who, according to the doxographer, assured that the philosopher Democritus of Abdera (c. 470/460 – c. 370/360 B.C.) lived 109 years. All other accounts about Democritus given by the ancients appear to agree in the fact that the philosopher lived over 100 years. Such longevity would not be dramatically out of line with that of other ancient Greek philosophers thought to have lived beyond the age of 90 (e.g.: Xenophanes of Colophon, c. 570/565 – c. 475/470 B.C.; Pyrrho of Ellis, c. 360 - c. 270 B.C.; Eratosthenes of Cirene c. 285 – c. 190 B.C., etc.). The case of Democritus differs from the case of, for example, Epimenides of Crete (VII, VI centuries B.C.) who is said to have lived an implausible 154, 157 or 290 years, depending on the source.

The sixth dynasty Egyptian ruler Pepi II is believed by some Egyptologists to have lived to the age of 100 or more (c. 2278 BC - c. 2184 BC), as he ruled for 94 years.[9] However this is under dispute, as others claim the date should actually be 64 years.[10]

The Indian Sufi poet, Kabir (1398-1518?) is believed by some to have lived to an unnatural age of 120 while others believe that he lived for no more than 80 years.

Ultimately, there is no reason to believe that there could not have been a few individuals who were centenarians 2500 years ago, even if they were not commonplace.[11]

Hosius of Córdoba, the man who convinced Constantine the Great to call the First Council of Nicaea, reportedly lived to age 102.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centenarian



I'd ask you guys to apologize for the personal attacks and for lying about me but hey if you didn't do that you would have anything to post.

 

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

What is the name or title of Josephs dad, Jacob or Heli?

Is it that Heli was possibly Jacobs last name?

Are they talking about the same guy and just chose to use different pronunciations of his name?

Did they just get the story wrong?

 

Didn't you claim that Noah and Adam lived to be over 1,000 years old?

How does linking a few people who lived to be centurions long ago justify claiming that it was because they were "fresh out of gods oven" or whatever theory your hawking?

 

So according to Matthew who give Joesph's ancestry Joesph's father is Jacob. Since Luke gave Mary's ancestry, Heli was Mary's father but as I pointed out sometimes the head of the family's name or Joesph is used interchangeably with or instead of the wife's name. Which is what Luke used in his ancestry of Mary and is more than likely using also at Luke 3:23.

 

Yes

It doesn't, perhaps you haven't been following the discussion I was having with Neodude, where he claims that people are living longer life spans now.

I said yes more people are living longer but the upper limit of their life span has remained about the same for about 2-3000 years.

He said prove it.

I said; I all ready have but if you want proof just simply Google it, At which point both Neodude and Okiefreak started with lies about me and personal attacks, saying basicly that I was lying about ever having answered this and that it was the same old tactic that I alway use to evade having to prove or back up what I've said.

So this was the proof of what I was saying true, not only that I had already answered the question but also the proof to back up my statement that it seems people have been living to about 100 years old for thousands of years, it's just more people are living closer to that 100 years now a days.

There you go, that's the theory I'm hawking.

 

And I'd ask you to apologize for making people jump through hoops in order to get your "sources", but then you wouldn't be able to feel self-righteous.


You haven't really posted any evidence by the way. A bunch of speculation and "maybes".
Wiki also probably isn't the best place to go.
And so now what are we left with?
1)We still do not have proof that people are not living longer today than they were in the past, actually all we have is the proof of the reverse of that.
2) Your "age limit" seems counter-intuitive to what you have said about the life spans of Noah and Adam and other figures from the Bible.
3) And then, to get down to the root of all of this, you say that people die because of sin. Well, you have to face the facts OWB, and the fact is, more people are living longer today than ever before. Why is this? Is that because we are more holy today - are we closer to perfection than people hundreds of years ago? According to the Bible's standards....umm, no, just the opposite in fact.
Then let's look at a specific group of people. If we look at a group of 100 people, and then lets say 90 of them die between the ages of 75-85, and the other 10 make it to 100. Is that because the other 10 were less sinful?
And also, what about the deaths of men vs. women? Women commonly live longer than men. Are women closer to God than men?

 

Additionally, we have a few other things to consider.
For example, the life expectancy disparities between races.
Japanese women live an average of 84.6 years. Japanese men live an average of 77.6 years.
British men live an average of 75 years. British women live an average of 79.9 years.

There is going to be a difference between what nationality/race you look at. Now, if there were really an age limit, why are Japanese and British life expectancy both growing at the same rate?

 

If you were able to travel at the speed of light it's theorized that you could outlive basically everyone on the planet.

I no that's OT but I think it's real keen thought!

 

You post a personal attack and call me a liar and think that's okay because I asked you to look it up for yourself? Yeah right.

 

How do you know that the people in the OT didn't live to be 900 by exceeding the speed of light?

 

It takes two to tango OlderWaterBrother.
come on down off the pedestal...
If it wasn't such a big deal to post your "source" then why didn't you just do it from the start? Surely, at 61 years of age, you realize by now that YOU are responsible for the information that you present in an argument. If you claim to have facts, and people ask you for proof, then why WOULD'NT you back it up? If you fail to provide evidence when prompted for what you say, then it's pretty safe to assume that you just made it up or that you have no idea what you are talking about.
My god, the logic in here is making me dizzy.
And as for personal attacks......spare us

 

I like to tango.

 

It would be more likely an explanation than them just being magical or however your story goes.

Highly unlikely though...

 

Another personal attack.

I suppose this one is also because I told you to look it up for yourself.

I guess didn't know a big crime it was to ask you to look it up for yourself.

How many more of your personal attacks on me do you feel are needed to make up for one time asking you to look it up for yourself?

 

Whoa! And he takes the joke seriously!