Bible Questions?

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  1. Deisceabal

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    Same guy, yep. Yeshua is what his real name was, simply "salvation" in Aramaic. The modern, well Anglo version is Joshua.
     
  2. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    How did it get changed to Jesus Christ?
     
  3. Deisceabal

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    It was translated into Greek than translated into Latin, than translated into English. It's an incorrect translation though, because instead of translating, really, they just Anglicized the word/name. To the Hebrews he was known as "Salvation", to the Greeks Iesous, to the Latins Iesus and to us Jesus. The only name with any etymological significance or authenticity would be the former "Salvation" or "Yeshua".
     
  4. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    perfection and holiness are just two different things. Whereas God is perfect and holy, man can be holy but not perfect.

    Exactly, more people are living longer but the max life span has not increased. Such as, please point out to me one person who has lived to the ripe old age of 200 lately, then we'll talk about people having a longer life span.
     
  5. Rudenoodle

    Rudenoodle Minister of propaganda Lifetime Supporter

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    So why did jesus christ catch on so much?

    It would seem real biblical scholars would prefer to use Yeshua as it is more accurate to it's original phrasing.

    So is Yeshua more of a term or was it used as a name back in the time of its origin?
     
  6. Deisceabal

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    I guess they feel that it could appear a little xenocentric if "John Smith" is all of a sudden speaking Hebrew? I don't know. I certainly would use Yeshua, it's the guy's name.

    Yeshua was a very common name. There were, in fact, many "Yeshuas" in the Bible including Moses' successor who the King James Bible calls Joshua.
     
  7. Okiefreak

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    If you want to believe that you're better off trusting the Bible because it's not man's thoughts, go right ahead. But many scholars reasonably conclude its man's thoughts presented as God's.
     
  8. Okiefreak

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    Christ was not just Jesus' last name. It's Greek for "the annointed one--i.e., the Messiah. As for why is it Jesus instead of Yeshua, that's a linguistic question. Why do Muslims call him Isa instead of Jesus or Yeshua? Why is Jesus' brother called James instead of Jacob, his Hebrew name? Why is his mother called Mary in English-speaking countries and Maria in Spanish-speaking countries instead of Miryam, her Hebrew name? I don't know, that's just the way it is.
     
  9. Rudenoodle

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    So is the term Jesus Christ more of a title than a name?
     
  10. OlderWaterBrother

    OlderWaterBrother May you drink deeply Lifetime Supporter

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    Word games? Please look up the words and see if they mean the same thing.

    Yes, the wages of sin are death.

    God did not create animals to live forever nor did he ever offer them everlasting life.

    Want to believe it? I didn't start out wanting to believe the Bible but because I've taken the time to look in to the matter and the Bible has passed every test I've been able to come up with, I do believe it.
     
  11. neodude1212

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    sure olderwaterbrother, if you insist.

    Why, is 200 your threshold?
    The fact is, people are living LONGER. Yes, no one makes it to "200", but what is the significance of "200"? People are dying later and later, and guess what, it WILL BE 200 one day, probably not even that far from now.
     
  12. neodude1212

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    Jesus is the name.
    "Christ" is a title, not a last name.
    As Okie pointed out, it means "anointed one."

    So, Jesus the Anointed One.
     
  13. def zeppelin

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    We will most likely live to 200 one day but that does that necessarily prove that our lifespan has increased. It could only prove that we are slowly regaining what we once had. An increase suggests we are reaching something that we have never been able to reach or that it was never possible until now.
     
  14. Okiefreak

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    It "could", but only if we're relying on the Bible and taking it literally. There is no other evidence.
     
  15. Okiefreak

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    If you want to believe you didn't start out wanting to believe the Bible but it passed every test, go right ahead. But would you mind sharing those tests with us? We might want to believe it, too.
     
  16. Deisceabal

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    Jesus' title in Hebrew would have been Yeshua HaMaschiach (Jesus the Messiah) his name would have been Yeshua ben Yosef (Jesus son of Joseph).
     
  17. OlderWaterBrother

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    Please reread what I said, I indicated that science is man's thoughts no if ands or buts, as for the Bible at least it could be God's thought despite what scholars, again man's thoughts, might say about it.
     
  18. Okiefreak

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    Personally, I respect science because it relies on empirical observation and rigorous testing of refutable hypotheses--the most advanced application of our God-given reason. It doesn't answer everything, but it's as good as we get. You are human, and your judgments about science and the Bible are as fallible as anybody else's--"man's thoughts".
     
  19. OlderWaterBrother

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    If you want to believe holiness and perfection are the same thing, I'm not going to insist one way or another. But you might want to consult a dictionary before you go to far with this.

    Why? Because there is a difference between more people living longer and a single person living past a certain age limit.
     
  20. def zeppelin

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    Which is why it's a good idea to rely on the thoughts of God rather than Man.

    Epistemology is a complicated subject. Science is a useful tool. But I personally see it as more of a way to describe nature rather than something that explains it.
     
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