You think anyone is prohibited from appreciating a good saying? Sorry didn't know I had to have a shirt and tie to get in.
Why don't we address the Two Truths Doctrine in that thread. I don't believe it's closed, if it is I'll open it.
Oh, so your religion is sound? The only faith required is that there is something definitely to discover.
If one is not true how can the other be. Dogma is bad mmkay The two doctrines are not one doctrine they are split minded view of the world, But I will look again.
So any way spud, I came in here because I didn't understand the attraction of that dick menckens quote. I wanted the view that made it tick as something to be an exemplary quote among those who think to call themselves atheists as is the individual who offered it. So now you know. you don't got's to be a putz So since the question was here i'll address what NoxiousGas said with the example so you know what the phenomena looks like, when I say I am speaking with the fire in the belly it is come from the tongue of flame lit on me, or I am the example of speaking in tongues.
again, that quote is full of "unrecognized assumptions" as thedope calls them. I was sitting here thinking of replies and realized, yet once again the content of that quote really is nothing more than a person's opinion being offered while peeking in the open door, but not from within the room. assumptions concerning language, past and present, so he knows how all the different languages throughout history have sounded and what the structure of them were? LOL assumptions about concerning what it is "though I speak with the tongue of men and of angels..... clearly indicating language outside of human daily experience assumptions about glossolalia being a "language" per se' that can be studied by a wide sampling, but there isn't any claim of it being a "language" that all who experience it speak in common. did you know that the language centers of the brain show greatly decreased activity during glossolalia? Andrew Newberb, on of the researchers, said that it is “fascinating because these subjects truly believe that the spirit of God is moving through them and controlling them to speak.” He goes on to say that the “research shows us that these subjects are not in control of the usual language centers during this activity.” Brains of those who are speaking in tongues as well as the brains of people singing gospel music show a “number of changes,” Newberg said, including in regions tied to emotions and the release of the sense of self. He went on to say, “These findings could be interpreted as the subject’s sense of self being taken over by something else. We, scientifically, assume it’s being taken over by another part of the brain. But we couldn’t see, in this imaging study, where this took place.” and so you understand that it is unique and different than meditation or repetitive prayer, give this a gander; http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/inside-the-mind/human-brain/brain-religion1.htm I'm curious MeAgain, do you see and recognize the many assumptions inherent in that quote you provided, or is it that you have already come to a conclusion concerning it, therefore those assumptions do not stand out because the conclusion supports yours?
From the guy responsible for your sig quote; "Well, I believe that those energies and processes exist. I just don't think that they've been adequately described or adequately named yet, because people are too willing to make it all into something that supports a religious theory of one flavor or another. If you start defining these things in nuts-and-bolts scientific terms, people reject it because it's not fun, y'know?" -- Frank Zappa, Society Pages No. 7, January 12, 1991, quoted from The Way I See It, Barry This is off topic of course, Frank wasn't an Atheist...his religion was music.
that's because he was a genius and realized only a fool discounts things out of hand when there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary. plus the fact that we do not fully understand certain phenomena scientifically as of yet, still does not negate the concept of God or a spiritual source for said phenomena. like Frank says, we just don't enough yet and it is biased in the fashion he suggests, from both sides of the fence.
We are way off topic. If we want to start debating about "Speaking in Tongues" someone start a new thread on that topic and I'll be happy to join in.
done, moved both of our posts regarding to the new thread. now will you address it? and @GB, still waiting for a reply in the pope thread where you asked me to post shit.....
if a quote looks interesting to me, or seems to make sense, i really neither know nor care, the beliefs or lack of them, of its author otherwise.
"... And what's hell meant to be like: fire, brimstone, eternal agony. That's what's written in the bible, that’s god's book, as far as I know the devil hasn’t brought out a book. We don't know his side of the argument. If you ask me the God and the Devil are having an argument and the devil’s being the bigger fuckin man because God’s just writing shit about him, and the Devil is going "I’m not even going to comment, if you talk about me like that." -Jim Jefferies
“We have to keep our God placated with prayers, and even then we are never sure of him--how much higher and finer is the Indian's God......Our illogical God is all-powerful in name, but impotent in fact; the Great Spirit is not all-powerful, but does the very best he can for his injun and does it free of charge.” ― Mark Twain