Are Transgender People Really Trapped In The Wrong Body?

Yes, someone please shoot that dentist guy

 

i don't think there's like any one answer to this. everyone is different.
some people are trapped in the 'wrong' species or on the 'wrong' world/solar system.
such are the random chances of birth and life.

everyone needs the same consideration as everyone else, whatever their individual situation in relation to this might happen to be.

my own take is simply to favor pretty much anything that will lower the human birthrate.

 

"And it harm none, do as ye will" you're a bad wiccan.

 

and kind of strange from someone who's avatar looks like a girlish guy with that hair.....metal rocker or not.....and I am not sure if animal sacrificing is acceptale in their wicca stuff....there are two kinds of wicca.....good ones that protect the earth and others that are not that way, and they never answered my question on their thread directly....hmmmm...makes me wonder.

 

i see this as almost the exact opposite of what metal groomp seems to be saying.

i see ALL gender based behaviors, male or female, 'bent' or 'streight' as EQUALLY phonier then a three dollar bill.

but its not behaviors we're talking about here, but what feels individually and personally normal, natural, moral and healthy to each individual themselves seperately.

 

I'm not transgender, so I don't know what it's like, how it feels, and I can't tell you if it's a mental illness or not.
I just think that for one reason or another, a young kid begins to realize that they don't belong in the body they're in. Let's say it's a boy. Maybe he hates having his hair cut short, being forced to wear jeans and polo shirts when he wants to wear dresses and tutu's. My cousin is transgender (FTM) and he said that as a female, he would look in the mirror and see his breasts, vagina, round hips, and it made him feel physically sick. He always had a more masculine vibe about him. He found himself feeling as if God made a tiny mistake when creating him by putting him in a female's body. His mom would force him to dress like a girl, act like a girl, talk like a girl, and do other stereotypical-female activities. He wasn't suicidal or depressed because of the way he felt about himself, he was suicidal and depressed because of the way other people treated and felt about him.

Like I said, I believe in a "live and let live so long as you aren't hurting anyone else" policy. If someone wants to dye their hair purple and wear cheetah print leggings with a tie-dye shirt, go for it. If my little boy said he didn't feel like a boy and identified as a girl, I would support them. You said you wanted this to be a conversation about transgender individuals and how to best help them, whether or not acting like this isn't a mental condition hurts them. I truly believe that the majority of transgender individuals would be happy and healthy in their transition if they accept themselves, other people support them and treat them with respect, and if needed, receive psychological or psychiatric therapy/medications to help them accept themselves, ease through the transition, and move on with their lives as the gender they identify with.


Another thing that was brought up is the suicide rate being about the same between pre and post-op individuals. The reason for this, I believe, has a lot to do with the acceptance the person has for themselves, and the accept given by other people. A transgender person is likely to be suicidal pre-op because they feel as if they're in the wrong body, they probably have little to no self-esteem and struggle with that a lot. If they come out to family/friends and do not get accepted, that can be a cause for depression and suicidal thoughts or actions. Post-op, many transgender people probably remain suicidal because the world doesn't have a lot of love for the things they don't understand, like a man becoming a woman. They face a lot of ridicule, struggle to find and maintain relationships and friendships, it's just not easy to be different in this way when a lot of people aren't used to that and don't accept it.

It isn't my place to call anyone hateful or a bigot for not supporting/accepting transgender individuals, but it does cause me to lose some respect for that individual because you're giving off negative energy to someone who is just trying to find a way to be the person they feel they're meant to be. They aren't hurting anyone, they're just trying to be happy like the rest of us.

*shrug* I'm really tired of chat being down

 

in recent years i have known people of every combination of gender imaginable, and i can state unequivacally, that every individual is an individual.
gender, physical or perceptual, having nothing to do with it.

 

I always feel suicidal when I see the price tag on some strappy heels.

 

It seems it's mostly men that have issue with this. I'm just sayin, if they could surgically add a few inches to their dick, they wouldn't be like, "I'm 9 inches, but biologically 4." If it's surgically and legally changed, then the end result is the new identity. Even if it's not surgically and legally done, it's just respectful to accept it, IMO.

 

Ofcourse not.

They are trapped in mental illness and the desire to self mutiliate.

There's also a grotesque "politically correct" ie extremists agenda behind it, known in part as the Frankfurt School.
Not many people have worked out what its about, but any sane person who does, will be truly horrified.

Its also about covering up another scandal, that of massive environmental poisoning. Genders are blurring due to dioxins and other poisons.
As an example, a woman would now need to conceive at 22 yrs to be able to have 3 children - acc to scientists.

All these things are part of an agenda. Sadly too many people's values and reasoning are as malleable as the latest season's fashion tips.
Many people couldn't wake up to reality, even if they wanted to. The human brain is sadly far too malleable by sinister and sick forces.

 

Meh, and if the girl in the picture in post #156 looks hotter than you wife, then most will just think thats what you are angry about

 

Sorry to disappoint you, but no, the man in the picture does NOT look hotter than any girl I've ever dated, inc the current one.

Mental illness is mental illness. An environmental catastrophe is an enviromental catastrophe. And sick social mis-engineering by the Western Establishment is sick social mis-engineering. I can see why you are in denial, but I can't be bothered to re-explain it all.

And the only time I'd get angry is if I had kids who were targetted by these sick people.

 

Im.going to go out my way and call bullshit.. pics or get the fuck out default avatard..

 

the only sinister and sick force is the fanatacism that says THIS. which is both wrong and nonsense, and most life forms with anything resembling a brain can figure out that it is.

 

This.

+10 respect point too.
It's nothing short of pathetic. Fuckin daily lives of celebrities, man. Who'd have fathomed that so many people concern themselves with this? I'm near a point where if you read a weekly magazine dealing with who's on a diet and which celebrity is having trouble losing weight etc. I don't even want you near my life. It's fiction. It's bullshit. Celebrities only exist to portray unrealistic agendas in life that we as the general public can't relate with because we are real people with real people problems. We aren't paid a salary to simply exist and look good, we are not paid in excess to go to the gym. We have to pay for that shit ourselves. it's fucked.

As for the topic, no I don't really believe they are folks born into the wrong body. If that's the case and that's the truth, then I'm not even the correct fuckin' animal because I totally I fuckin' know I'm a lioness, a polar bear and a nomadic wolf and to some extents, a great white shark. not a bloody HUMAN.

But hey if I write a book about it, and I start my transpecies into the polar lionwolf, perhaps all these twits will read into it and pay me then to just exist. :d

Grr. I'm fucked off now.

 

It is interesting how many would prefer that transgender be labelled as a mental illness. To aid them of course.....instead of the reality of sticking another label on them. Society already has shown intolerance and ignorance regarding mental illness, why not increase transgenders issues by labeling them as such.

It was not that long ago that being gay was considered to be a mental illness.

Slippery slope so that those with discomfort about others sexuality feel good about themselves.

 

Look, I'm not saying that transgender people NEED to be labeled as mentally ill, but by the same token I don't believe they should be immediately labeled as ACTUAL women. Far too little is known about the condition and not nearly enough studies have been done.

What i am saying is, is that calling someone hateful or judgmental or intolerant for simply raising the question is a slippery slope in and of itself as to how we deal with issues like this as a society. All possibilities must be taken into account until some sort of definitive evidence is found.

As I keep saying the suicide rate does not go down among transgenders even after surgery and hormone therapy, which I believe raises serious concerns as to whether or not this is the correct approach to treating the condition. If it was, you would expect to see SOME sort of decline as people were freed from the prison of their wrong gender body and allowed the life they feel they were meant to live, regardless of societies tolerance level. I'm not saying surgery is wrong in 100% of cases but there is ample statistical date to suggest it's not viable as an across the board treatment. To deny that there is any other possibility than that people with GID are in the wrong body and need surgery is to deny people who are clearly suicidal and need help an alternative treatment that could save their lives.

To be perfectly clear I believe that living with a condition that makes life so unbearable you would rather off yourself is terrible, and anyone living with such a condition has a right to whatever resources will allow them to lead a better life.

On the issue of homosexuality, I believe that gays in the 80's were treated far worse than transgenders are now. While our society is far from being fully tolerant, it was literally mainstream belief back then that AIDS was god's punishment for gays, and then they still weren't attempting suicide at the rate transgender people today are. I think we've come a long way since then, which is why I think the jury is still out on this one.

If everyone replying to this thread was capable of this level of nuanced thinking I think this would be a much more enlightening discussion.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zU3U7E1Odc

 

whatever you ARE saying, no one NEEDS to be LABELED ANYTHING.

hatered is always evil, especially when it opposes consideration. envoking the name of a religion as an excuse for doing so, (even though no one seems to be naming it hear, just assuming it to be a belief universally shared, or with some sort of actual basis) only reflects poorly on the religious belief thus invoked. that is how christianity (because of certain sects, which fail to make the disclaimer of not representing the entirity of that belief), has EARNED a mirror image reflection of its hatered of everything else.

there is NO rational scientific basis, for the assumption that there is any kind of 'illness' to whatever anyone wants to go to bed with, where, when or how often, nor look like, nor feel like they should look like.
there is only fanatacizm, attempting to enforce a gratuitous conventionality, for its own mindless gain, at the expense of all else.

a mental illness, an insanity, is when your emotions prevent you from fulfilling the kind of life YOU want to live. it has NOTHING to do with cultural nor religious perceptions of (any mythical) so called normality.

 

Still trying to figure out how trans, gay or any other type of off-main stream societal condition affects me or anyone else.

I'm stumped as to why people are negative towards those that wish to live as they want. Everyone that ever fucked me in business was straight up straight.

(OOOOOOO--wait. There's some suspicious looking men lurkin' around out in my bushes with lipstick on! Better get my gun out. They must be dangerous!)