An open letter to young hippies

What the fuck do you think that means, "nobody knew any better"? Bullshit. You have no idea what most of the hippie movement was like.

There's shows today that are many times better organized, and larger, and more frequent, than in the 60's. There's lots of amazing performers. There aren't generally fiascoes like bull island or altamont speedway, where people DIED, mobs murdered, looted, raped, robbed, there was no food or water and no way out.....

There's lots to do today, you're just too busy whining to find or make these things to do. That's why you're not a hippie, and why today isn't like the 60's.

 

It is interesting all of the things this thread brings up in people. It seems like alot of good is coming out of my frustration.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Nobody knew any better because everyone was messed up on drugs. That movement was powerful and where is it now?

 

And I know exactly what the "movement" was about I read up on it. And what makes you a hippie chief? Don't come at me because I wanna see Jimi Hendrix and the grateful dead play in their prime. And you're obviously as bored as me if you come on here everyday. I get a lot accomplished in a day only thing I complain about is not having an acid connect. So take your drama somewhere else you "hippie"

 

Actually there were and are alot of hippies that don't take drugs for various reasons including:
Spirituality (some gurus strongly recommend that you avoid drugs)

Politics (the cops can't bust you for speaking your mind but they can bust you for getting high)

Personal Preference (try it and don't like it)

By the way what's up with the attitude. I've probably done more to help people in the last week then you have in your entire life junior.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

You're not doing much to lead by example..

 

I didn't have an attitude with you brother roorshack cursed at me and tried to make a fool of me when I don't have a problem with anyone lol. I was just saying how a lot of people were tripped out, I know everyone wasn't but a lot were lol. I meant no harm. Peace and love right?

 

And by the way, all I do and have done is try to help people as much as I can cause I know if I needed something that person could help me out..

 

Sorry I get a little defensive. I work 7 days a week with disabled people. Sometimes I call it "The Bottom 1% of the 99%". I think the best way to fuck with straight society is to help a yuppie fix the tire on his BMW. It will catch them completely off guard and might change his view of hippies for a minute.

Stay Brown,
Rev J

 

Right on, mannn :afro:

 

What?
You agree that a person can "stand up and make a difference, and cause change in the world" but that world change never "goes beyond that individual"? Really, what in the world are you talking about? If a person makes a change in the world, how does it not go beyond just him? The world has been changed!

You agree individuals have stood up and made change happen but then you deny that anything changed? Do you have any idea how ridiculous that sounds?

Your conclusions aren't questionable? Of course they're questionable, the facts may not be questionable but your conclusions from those facts are definitely questionable.

Don't include me, you did that to yourself. I had nothing to do with dividing up the world and giving power to a few and making slaves of others. You did that without any help from me.

Just your excuse for you to do nothing. "Nothing I do matters unless everyone does it too".

The simple fact is I never said that everyone will make that choice or even has to, that is your argument not mine.

My argument has always been that one individual can stand up and make a choice that will change the world and that the more individuals that stand up and make a choice the more the world will change.

 

OWB I think you are being closed-minded toward CT. You are denying that changes in consciousness can make a difference. You are inherently implying the superiority of the exterior/consensual/symbolic reality over changes in the attitude or the interior reality.

You are forwarding a certain positivist-materialist viewpoint which is by no means Universal. Great mystics, philosophers and even scientists have challenged the physicalist viewpoint over the centuries.

 

The same class of people have challenged the metaphysical, idealist, spiritualist basis of reality too. Who wins?

 

Neither, the mistake is in thinking either one is Universal or can be used to invalidate the other.

Now, do I believe there is a "fact of the matter"? At some level, i one of them true and the other untrue?

I don't know if I'm competent to judge.

 

Well, wouldn't you say a materialist doctrine like physics repudiates spiritual explanations for why things happen?

 

No. Our physics has a great number of things (e.g. human behavior) for which it has no reliable models. Eventually our idea of the physical will be enlarged to include forces we cannot yet conceive. To think we've identified most of the important stuff is a hugely hubristic assumption.

Our models do a very good job explaining the behavior of very big and very regular things; a slightly less-good job of explaining the behavior of small and probabilistic things (quanta); and a terrible job of explaining medium-sized but highly-complex phenomena; such as the behavior of human societies...

There are things in heaven and earth that are not yet dreamed of in our philosophy...

As Joseph Campbell says [my paraphrase] "science is marvelous because it cannot insist on having found absolute truth. It is merely a system of working hypotheses."

 

We are in epistemic agreement.

However I think it is likely that science will eventually be able to explain everything within human experience, whether or not that is 'truth'. What makes it universal is that, as a method, it is applicable to everything. Whether it corresponds to 'truth' or is something else, and something we will probably never know.

The other thing you said was one cannot invalidate the other. But physical cosmology does successfully invalidate creation theory. And if we are comparing social science methods of predicting human behavior against astrological methods, I'd put my money on the former.

Back to the original discussion on consciousness, if scientific and medical research hypothetically ever exhausts the explanations for each and every function of the body without finding any basis for 'consciousness' we assume exists, I expect that would be 'superior' to any other non-scientific positing of consciousness. What doesn't exist can't be changed and that would endorse OWB's point of view.

 

Absolutely, one person could stand up and make a choice for change. Like OWB states, it takes the courage of only 1- then a few more- -then before you know it, you will be surprised to find out how many "like minded " people are out there*
Eventually,when hippie movement came to an end, the remnants of the hippie communities could no longer maintain their lifestyle in face of the pressures of the modern world, however, the hippie message remains alive in the hearts of those who once dreamed with a society free from religious dogmas, exacerbated materialism and oppression

--- on a personal note - - - -
When I was"chosen" and my life was interrupted for awhile, I was a kid who was pretty much A-political.- When I returned, (although a psychological mess) I saw it as my responsibility to get involved in the movt. After all, I had seen it up close and personal.- However, mistrusted by those already in the movt, and seen by most former army buddies as a traitor- - I still took my stand.
You don't have to stall tall> but you do have to stand**

Today" hippies" are using a different kind of psychedelic drug called social technology. Instead of THC and LSD the drug of choice is DOW, Linux, SQL and others which enables the freedom of expression in the “clouds“. The new drugs are as addictive as the old drugs and those that become enlightened from using it understand that it does change one’s state of consciousness. The new state of consciousness is the enlightenment of power created by “social groups and communities” igniting changes in philosophy about business as usual and demanding business as unusual

Today, I still see the Vietnam war as an intensely important element in what connected hippies and political activists. The main element was that people had to stand up!!- -Even if had to be 1 at a time-
When people compare Iraq and Afghanistan to Vietnam, they’re missing an important point: We were protesting an illegal war, not a misguided military action.

We protested the principle as well as the war itself. Eventually making a difference, that you can feel today-

morningThoughts
JJack
(now I got a head ache-

 

Beautifully Spoken JJ...



Cheers Glen.

 

Hey Glen thanks - Yeah every once in while I have a moment of clarity :willy_nilly:

jj