All Religions Are False.

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by RichardTheFrog, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. RichardTheFrog

    RichardTheFrog Newbie

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    I am only saying that to the ones who say my knowledge is based on "fantasy and pop culture" rather than the 1000 hours of reading I've done.
     
  2. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    I see your thousand hours and raise you 45 years :book: of study in these topics.
     
  3. RichardTheFrog

    RichardTheFrog Newbie

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    Name something you know that I don't. I bet I have spent more time studying them than you have.
     
  4. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    there you exactly. you hit it right there.

    well i wouldn't say ONE sage, or it all. but i wise person of good will generally tends to be so moved.
     
  5. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    That could be the work of the devil, just to fool us.

    No, what we have is a number of theories based upon the scientific method that attempt to explain the origins of the Universe(s), the Earth, and human beings. None of them are conclusive as all are open to revision or rejection....and there is only one star in our solar system.

    There are no proofs in science. A proof can be mathematical or logical, but not scientific. Once a theorem has been proven it is final, it never changes unless an error has been committed in the proof itself.

    Science has no proofs, it can not prove anything as any scientific theory is only the best current explanation available. Any scientific explanation of the creation of the Universe proves nothing. The Big Bang theory, while currently widely accepted, can be thrown out tomorrow if a better explanation comes along.

    I agree that randomly attributing those origins to a God(s) is arbitrary.

    Even assuming that is true, it does not prove that here is no God. I did not create any of them either and I like to think that I exist.
     
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  6. RichardTheFrog

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    I meant to say stars in our galaxy, or universe.

    I think looking at the Cosmic Microwave Background and other observations through the Hubble Space Telescope and other telescopes that detect frequencies other than visible light is pretty strong evidence.

    How can you say nothing can be proven?

    Is water not H2O? I think it's safe to say it is, even though I've never actually gotten up close to look at it's atoms.
     
  7. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    It is if you subscribe to molecular theory, the valence bond theory, VSEPR theory, and so on. The "fact" that water is a combination of hydrogen and oxygen relies on numerous theories which are all subject to revision or rejection at any time.

    I said that scientific theories can not be proven, logical and mathematical propositions can be proven.

    To say that water is H2O is just to say that presently, to our best understanding, water is H2O if we subscribe to those theories.
    At one time water was believed to be one of the four irreducible elements in nature, that has changed.
    Science never closes the door.
     
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  8. RichardTheFrog

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    When water was thought to be one of those "four elements" was before the time when we got it right.

    Just like the Earth was thought to be flat. That was proven wrong.

    The Earth is round. It just is. This is not a theory and will never be proven wrong. We will not discover that it is a triangle some day.

    You cannot argue that water is not H20. It is proven.

    They can even separate it into it's component gases. It is not a theory.

    So much other stuff relies on that. Like the polarity of other molecules, hydrogen bonding, etc.
     
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    If your theories held any undiscovered truths .. I would assume you would be talking at a TED conference, instead of trying to convince hippies ..
     
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  10. RichardTheFrog

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    Maybe they will invite me after my book is published.
     
  11. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed & Confused Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator

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    Rich, if you want to be credible you have to be specific and factual.

    Earlier you talked about the stars in our solar system, I knew you probably had just mis-spoken....but now you claim the Earth is round?

    It is not (according to the latest data). Look it up.
     
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  12. RichardTheFrog

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    Did you read the passages from my book? They are as detailed as you could possibly get.

    the Earth is round as oppose to flat. Do you want me to be technical and say it slightly not a perfect circle. You get the point.
     
  13. RichardTheFrog

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    Genesis Stories Proven False
    The creation and flood stories of the Book of Genesis have been proven false. God did not create the Earth. He did not create the "heavens" either. A God was not needed to create Sunlight, life on Earth, human beings, or any geological features of our planet.
    The Book of Genesis states that God created the heavens, the Sun, the Earth, the moon, and the sky. It also says that God created geological features of Earth like the oceans and dry land. This book also claims that God created plants, sea life, birds, land animals, and human beings. It claims that God did all of this over the course of seven days. None of this is true. The creation stories in the Book of Genesis are actually adaptations of the Babylonian creation story called Enuma Elish.
    The "heavens" refers to the cosmos, which is the physical Universe created formed by the Big Bang roughly 13.7 billion years ago. Some of the energy contained in this explosion was converted to matter through interaction with the Higgs field. This matter took the form of subatomic particles before become the lightest elements, hydrogen and helium. These light elements condensed under gravity to form stars. In stars, they fused into heavier elements. The heaviest naturally occuring elements are formed when stars explode in supernovas. The majority of the stars that we see are components of the Milky Way galaxy, some of which are almost as old as the Universe itself.
    The Sun was created about 4.57 billion years ago as hydrogen and helium gas condensed under gravity. The light coming from it is electromagnetic radiation that is the result of nuclear fusion reactions going on in it's core. It was created at the same time as the rest of our solar system. It is a star not unlike any other, other than the fact that we revolve around it.
    The Earth was created 4.57 billion years ago along with the rest of our solar system. It was created as smaller pieces of silicate rock came together under gravity. Eventually, the energy of these silicates caused so much heat that they became molten, causing some of the metals contained in the silicates to sink to the center. Our planet has a metallic core surrounded by silicate rock, just like the other terestrial planets Mercury, Venus, and Mars.
    God did not create the years, seasons, or days. A year is the amount of time it takes the Earth to revolve around the Sun once. The seasons are the result of the differences in sunlight that the Earth receives as a result of it's rotation around the Sun and the tilt of it's axis. A day is the amount of time that it takes for the Earth to rotate on it's axis once. These increments of time and of variation of sunlight are the result of natural forces.
    The first human being was not a man named Adam that lived in Eden. The first woman was not made from the rib of a man. The genealogy of human beings did not start with Adam. It did not go through his descendants, eventually to Noah. The descendants of Noah did not become the founding members of many different ethnic groups, as it says in the Bible. This line of descent did not go to Abraham, and eventually to the Hebrews, including Moses, and to the founders of the ancient kingdom of Israel, including Saul, David, and Solomon. This genetic line is said to go all the way to Jesus, since he is the son of Joseph, who was a descendant of David. Muhammad also is included in this false genealogy because he is said to be a descendant of Ishmael, who descended from Abraham. Also, people have never lived to be over 900 years old like it says in the Book of Genesis.
    As stated in another chapter, the first human beings evolved in Africa about 200,000 years ago. There was not a man named Adam that was created by a supernatual being. Our species evolved from other hominid species. Many scientists think we evolved from Homo heidelbergensis in the area of east Africa near present-day Tanzania. The Bible states that the descendants of Adam descended to Noah. If there was no Adam, then these lineages could not have existed. Also, there has never been a person that lived to be over 900 years old. The oldest age ever recorded was by a French woman named Jeanne Calment, who was born in 1875, and lived to be 122.
    There was no global flood and a man named Noah did not herd two of every animal onto an ark. If there were a global flood, it would be very evident in the stratigraphic record of Earth's geology, especially if the flood is said to have happened so recently in geologic history. There is no such record. The story of Noah and the flood is an adaptation of a Babylonian story called the Gilgamesh epic. It refers to the periodic and irregular flooding of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, not of the entire globe.
     
  14. RichardTheFrog

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    I should just finish writing the book rather than posting pieces of it on here.
     
  15. AceK

    AceK Scientia Potentia Est

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    okay, say that radio-dating methods are flawed. the thing about science is that multiple independant methods are seeked to verify theories, not just one. you would have to disregard ALMOST ALL OF PHYSICS as false, or flawed to say that the age of the earth is only a few thousand years old. general relativity, which our gps satellites are dependant on, the speed of light, THE THEORY OF GRAVITY (not just general relativy, but even newton's theory of gravity)
     
  16. skip

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    Can we please stay on topic and NOT get personal?
    Off-topic posts will be deleted.
     
  17. RooRshack

    RooRshack On Sabbatical

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    The problem is that you're wrong.

    Religions are all incorrect, but they are very much real - their reality does not depend upon the reality of their beliefs, in fact it often seems like a belief being totally wrong only serves to reinforce it, due to coping and rationalization mechanisms of the believer.

    I wish religions were false, but they're not in the least.
     
  18. scratcho

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    Sorry, Skip.
     
  19. skip

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    The problem with religion is they all think the other religions are "false", theirs being the only "true" religion.

    If religious people minded their own business, so would I.

    Actually I do know of a couple of "religions" that accept other religions (those are the cool ones!)
     
  20. RichardTheFrog

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    But the scientific methods are not flawed. Religions are real because they exist because someone made them up due to lack of a better understanding.

    You can see that almost every primitive culture has some sort of "nature" type religion where they worship the Sun god, water god, etc.

    You could almost say that the religions of ancient Egypt, Shintoism, the Aztecs, the Greeks, are the exact same thing.

    I am absolutely positive that there is not a Sun God named Ra. I am absolutely positive that the Sun is a nuclear fusion reaction. I am positive that hydrogen and helium are in the Sun, etc.

    If science was not true, then advanced inventions like computers, nuclear reactors, and immunizations would not work.

    If science doesn't work, then don't use a computer. If nobody ever invented a transistor or realized that electricity was electrons or even found out what an electron was in the first place, then how could any of this work? And if I ever get real sick, I will definitely definitely take these medicines.

    Are we all glad that they came up with a vaccine for polio? What about Hepatitis B?

    I hear they're working on an HIV vaccine, but they should probably just give up because science is not real.
     
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