All Religions Are False.

Discussion in 'Agnosticism and Atheism' started by RichardTheFrog, Nov 15, 2014.

  1. thedope

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    Why? What is wrong with throwing rocks? The saying comes from a story which gives the particulars context, I was passing along the saying in rebuttal to relaxxx suggesting that christians are to assume sinning.
    I think you know the story, there was a group of men who were beginning to stone a woman for the accusation of adultery, the teacher came and told them let those among you who are blameless cast the first stone and they dispersed because they were spurred by accusation, blame. Then he said to the woman, where are your accusers now, go and sin no more.
     
  2. thedope

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    That which we invoke, our sense of rightness, and where that sense of rightness is, there i devote myself. Self can only be known by self. If you see confusion your eyes should be considered suspect. And so what ever can be said of god can be expressed differently. If you are expressing the same thing differently you haven't changed it's meaning, only the symbols you use to say it. the meaning of symbols lies in their embodied conjugation, the shape of the symbol is secondary or assigned to an embodied conjugation reflecting on experience. Symbols are of conditions. A symbol Is not the condition save the condition in discussion be a symbol but frequently people as you do in this case, confuse form and meaning.
    I am never insulted only honored to be among you. When you say this it makes me feel like you don't approve of interracial marriages. Part of communicating with people is recognizing emotional states and responding to them in a measured way and a sense of humor makes the otherwise thin skinned invulnerable to pricks. I don't mean this to be a challenge to anyone's sense of decorum, it is just information put forward to be weighed or not.

    I really like it when you fact check for us.
     
  3. Dejavu~

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    lol I know the story. I still like my version, where he doesn't wait for the jackals to disperse as they slowly digest his meaning but sends them packing with the admonishment he purportedly saved for the adultress. :-D

    You, as a rare christian who doesn't believe in sin, might find your own sayings to refute it?

    So it's form and meaning I confuse now?! You used to say I confused form and content, but now you see form's its content? :-D Be open with your meaning! Speak of your progenitor! Of yourself as progenitor! lol

    I feel the same, but try not to lay it on so thick your honour! There are many who don't believe it of us. ;-D
     
  4. MeAgain

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    Why? I don't get it.
     
  5. thedope

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    Differing ideas like races of the same species come together in a lovers spat. I would rather kiss and makeup than be broken up.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    In the end, that seems to be exactly relaxxx's problem with religion :p It seems because he doesn't find it comforting it shouldn't be comforting to anybody :D
     
  7. relaxxx

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    because religious comforts are based on ignorance and often come at the expense of others.

    Not to mention that their blissful ignorance is also often detrimental to justice, freedoms and progress.
     
  8. tikoo

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    my father's church would let you in the door , but no , you maybe can't teach Sunday School . this was the
    situation for one gay girl , even if she was the pastor's daughter .
     
  9. Asmodean

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    That's what you choose to focus on. I see it not restricted to religious comforts at all. Anybody who has the luxury of enough comfort can put their blinders on for other people's lack of justice, freedoms or progress. It always comes down to the individual and rarely to the religion/ideology itself (as it is rarely solely their religion/ideology that drives them especially morally, since people are primarily people just like you and me). That's why there are also both very reasonable, logical and constructive/progressive atheists and very overly generalizing, hating and polarizing atheists. If you focus mostly on the latter (because it suits your argument best or whatever reason) it makes this thing called atheism look quite retarded as well ;)
     
  10. relaxxx

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    Yes yes, atheist are well known for ignoring and denial of all the FACTS and EVIDENCE, and we are quite retarded...

    http://youtu.be/xwEFbzCYiII
     
  11. Asmodean

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    That was not really what I was saying and you know it. What I am saying is that you project that on the religious because you don't like religion. But the majority of christians today are not as dogmatic as you portray them to be. There are shortsighted dogmatic people among any ideology. You project a problem onto them (that the morals and dogmas of their religion conflict with facts and reality) which actually only applies to a minority of them, as most of them embrace reality and facts just like us. Or should I say me (among many others), as you seem to have a distorted perception where it comes to religious folks :p
     
  12. thedope

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    Well your version has us thinking there is something wrong with throwing rocks or that throwing rocks is a sin. I added the words for justice. To cast stones is to make a pitch and who better to make a pitch for justice than the innocent. I have no need to believe in sin as sin is quite plain, meaning to miss the sign it is an error in perception. All our actions/reactions stem from premises of our world model.. Errors in perception are mistakes in judgement. So unhelpful responses are logical progressions considering the parameters entered. People feel they have good reason for bad behavior. That is why it is heard forgive them, they know not what they do.

    The reason I use the sayings is for those who take stock in them that they may see them maybe as they never had before.

    Some see forgiveness as allowing indecent acts, a kind of unworthy deceit. Forgiveness meaning to give before is making the decision for now and forever not to pass verdict but to comprehend.

    Outer appearance form, and content are not necessarily identical. You can store all sorts of things in a coffee can. due to the fact that we have discussed the terms form and content in this way with no digestive movement umpteen times i thought I would use a different term, perhaps sugar, to help the medicine go down.

    I have many times stated that i am created and I create as i am created.

    Are you kidding? Why should I modify my behavior for an errant belief? I wouldn't say a single line is laying it on thick unless it carries a lot of weight.
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  13. Moonglow181

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    LOL....hmmm...retarded...where have I heard that before???????????????
     
  14. thedope

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    To say religious comfort is based on ignorance is to say comfort is based on ignorance.The appearance of comfort in this instance is as advertised, come to me all who are weary and heavy laden and I will give you rest, for my yolk, (joining,) is easy and my burden light, (understanding.) Anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so, therefor the truth relieves anxiety. You being stressed on this issue are a perfect candidate for christ teaching, meaning authoritative teaching, as opposed to christian indoctrination. Ignorance has the same effect whether theirs or yours.
     
  15. Moonglow181

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    I understand what relaxx means...as sometimes religion tries to hold back people on another path...but as long as whatever anyone wants to believe is the truth, is not impeding on anyone else's search for their truths.....I see nothing wrong with any of it.....
     
  16. Moonglow181

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    not to mention all of the blood shed and live's lost in the name of religion...but that is what some people do with it...not all.
     
  17. thedope

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    And this is supported by christ teaching, seek and you shall find.

    In just a few moments we have done significant damage to the claim that all religions are false.
     
  18. Moonglow181

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    I seek and do not find....lol
     
  19. thedope

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    what do you seek?
     
  20. Moonglow181

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    that hit me in the gut feeling....where there is no denying it....:)
     

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