After the eighth school shooting in seven weeks – some gun control proposals

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  1. Meliai

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    I posted a link

    From the link -

     
  2. machinist

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    30-06 bolt action = wwii sniper rifle.

    Besides 50 cal is now .338. Which is also popular for deer and big game.
     
  3. Maccabee

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    If that's the case then how come the surrounding states and cities don't have the same crime problem?
     
  4. Maccabee

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    It can still be appealed and judging from similar Supreme cases this will also fail.
     
  5. Maccabee

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    Shot.
     
  6. Meliai

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    Which ones specifically?
     
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    Meliai,

    On what basis did he decide that the AR-15 is not within the original meaning of the individual constitutional right to ‘bear arms,
     
  8. machinist

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    Me too.
     
  9. Maccabee

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    For example Chicago is surrounded by Indiana and other gun friendly states yet they don't have the same gun crime problem. Same with California wich have the most mass shootings than any other state.
     
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  10. Meliai

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    I dont know. You should research it.

    I would assume for the same reason bombs arent included in the right to bear arms either
     
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    I'm sorry, I just thought that since you brought it to our attention, you would know something about it.
     
  12. machinist

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    Fascists see everything as black and white
     
  13. Meliai

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    His reasoning is that
    The AR-15 and its analogs, along with large capacity magazines, are simply not weapons within the original meaning of the individual constitutional right to ‘bear arms,’" U.S. District Judge William Young, a Reagan appointee, wrote in a decision Thursday in Boston, dismissing a lawsuit over the state law.

    His reasoning makes sense to me as I've always said the same thing, the Constitution protects the right to own a gun. It doesnt protect specific weapons or manufacturers

    If this reasoning doesnt satisfy you then you should do your own research.
     
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    That is not an explanation of why he decided that the AR-15 should be banned. That is simply a judge telling what he thinks, but not why he thinks it.

    This is not directed toward you. I'm just showing the judge's rationale--or lack thereof--for what it is.
     
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    the short answer is that Indiana as a whole isnt going to have the same socioeconomic problems as inner city Chicago.

    Crime in Chicago is a complex issue that I dont think can be properly covered here as evidenced by a previous thread that tried to address the subject.

    As I remember someone pointing out in the other thread, there are people who study socioeconomics and crime in inner cities for years

    Versus me who has taken a quick glance over a few stats. I'm not going to pretend I'm knowledgeable enough to really give the subject the answer it deserves
     
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  16. Toggle Almendro

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    That is incorrect. The right to keep and bear arms is very much a right.
     
  17. Toggle Almendro

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    Low-level extremist judges make all sorts of weird rulings.

    When the Supreme Court begins enforcing the Second Amendment, any bans or restrictions on assault weapons will be struck down.

    Any magazine restrictions that are tied to a ban on assault weapons will be struck down as well.
     
  18. Meliai

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    He isnt saying they should be banned.

    He is saying that it is a states rights issue, not a constitutional issue
     
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    No. I don't think so.
     
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    Yes. A gun with a tubular magazine can still be used to kill a number of people. But after eight rounds it will need to be reloaded, and that will require a pause in the shooting while the gun is reloaded.

    I think the Supreme Court will accept this as a good reason for limiting magazine size, and will allow magazine size restrictions to stand so long as they are not tied to a ban on assault weapons.
     
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