A moderate take on socialism and communism etc..

Discussion in 'Communism' started by Utilitarian, May 23, 2008.

  1. Hiptastic

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    I read the relevant sections, which is probably more than you can say.
    No, because if someone could pull a quote out of there which proved me wrong I'd look ridiculous (something that doesn't seem to be a disincentive for you). The fact of the matter is that rather than proving me wrong, you are just going on the usual personal attack route, which is pretty much the same thing as conceding the point. Once again it takes maximum 2 minutes of work to debunk your theories.
    Again, you miss the point. I never said there was never any ties between western capital and the Nazis - of course there were. But was western capital as a whole actively, deliberately trying to create Nazism? Could everyone have known with certainty how Hitler was going to turn out? Was this support material, decisive? The answer to all of these is no. But you don't care. If someone gave ten dollars to a company in Germany which buildts cars and later buildt tanks, you take this tie - no matter how inconsequential or indirect - and consider this evidence that a gigantic worldwide conspiracy created Nazi Germany. Its ridiculous, which is why you make these claims then refuse to discuss them.
    But communism really did exist, as you just said. I didn't need "the state" to tell me communism existed and was bad, communism really did exist and really was bad.
    I don't believe muslims are the enemy, I believe radical islam is a threat, mostly to muslims as it happens.
    Really? Care to show where I said that? Or does being a conspiracy theorist mean you are allowed to make shit up and tell other people what they think?
    Slander much?
    No, this is a farce. Learn the history of the muslim brotherhood - which started decades before Afghanistan. If you think it takes western conspirators to create radical islam you are as ignorant as they come.

    Your Afghan claim is a farce - if the US gave aid to the mujahadeen, that proves that radical islam was created by the globalists? That makes no sense. Typical of you to provide sources which don't even back up your argument - as long as you link to something, you consider it proof, even if its totally irrelevant.

    Reality is a conspiracy. OK dude.
    Yes, I really put that in there to admit I was living in the Matrix. And that profile picture is really me.

    This is why you like being a conspiracy theorist. It give you the right to say "everything you think is wrong and all your sources are wrong and you are so wrong that you don't even know what right is". In contrast, only you have the true wisdom, the real knowledge, the pure enlightened mind etc etc. WTF - save the scientology for someone who cares.
    But this is the circular logic that you have been brainwashed by. If X happens, it proves the conspiracy is happening. If the opposite of X happens, well you see it makes no difference because behind the scenes the conspirators are going ahead with their plan, they only want you to think its going against then. So whether empires form or fall apart, no matter who wins the wars, no matter what happens, every conceivabe outcome "proves" the conspiracy theory. Because the important stuff is happening in secret and nobody can see it anyway. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
    And wouldn't you know it we just happen to be living at the turning point of thousands of years of history! Right now the thousands of years old conspiracy is about to reach its apex and we will all be enslaved by the child molesting owl worshipping freemason conspirators who are going to put us all in FEMA death camps and wipe out most of the world population. Any day now....
    When did I say this? My point is that you are trapped in circular logic. Your theories are designed to be unfalsifiable, and to interpret anything and everything as supporting them. There is no conceivable evidence against your conspiracy because evidence the conspiracy is false is just evidence that the conspirators are planting false evidence to cover up the conspiracy. You just can't see it because you are locking into the loop of self perpetuating conspiracy logic.
    Who is "they"? Alex Jones? A professor? Some guy on YouTube? And you didn't answer my question - how did European countries colonise and enslave much of the world if it takes the UN to override national sovereignty? Like most of my points, you won't address them because you can't. You can only repeat more conspiracy theory orthodoxy.
    I have a feeling that "officially admitted" is you way of saying "some guy on the internet says so". Shall I await the hour long YouTube video which doesn't back up your claim but that you respond with anyway?
    He's heading it all up is he? What is he head of? Oh right, nothing. He's an academic that supports a currency union and more integration between the two states, but he's not actually in charge of anything and has no power to implement anything and the current work in progress on the NAU and Amero is, is sum total, absolutely not a damn thing.
     

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